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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nobody should pay into SS and not get it.
    Those who die before they are old enough do.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Those who die before they are old enough do.
    Perhaps, but only if they leave no survivng dependents.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nope, no trouble at all

    And if I should ever be diagnosed with a medical condition that is costly to treat, I will be equally OK with receiving more medical treatment than my premium dollars paid for.
    Glad to know that too. Responsibility for one's self apparently doesn't cross your threashold.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Glad to know that too. Responsibility for one's self apparently doesn't cross your threashold.
    More like understanding how insurance works not crossing yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nobody should pay into SS and not get it.

    It is a retirement/disability program not a welfare or income redistribution program.
    I realize that is what it is.

    But that is not what I think it should be.

    It should be emergency funds for poor seniors...which would greatly cut down on it's overall costs.


    It's ridiculous that middle class people have to basically give money to the government for the latter to hold for a few decades - only to give much of it back (with horrible return rates).
    Last edited by DA60; 03-10-13 at 05:28 PM.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Perhaps, but only if they leave no survivng dependents.
    And there are a lot of those.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    More like understanding how insurance works not crossing yours


    Umm, yeah. Deal with it every day.

    So, are you prepared to fund the deductible and your 80% coinsurance to your OOP limit if this should catastrophic illness should occur?
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I realize that is what it is.

    But that is not what I think it should be.

    It should be emergency funds for poor seniors...which would greatly cut down on it's overall costs.
    Not nearly as much as requiring ALL gov't retirees to wait until SS benefit age to get their retirement benefits.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    And there are a lot of those.
    I am not sure what your point is:

    * Social Security pays benefits to the families of workers who die and leave behind spouses, children under the age of 20, and sometimes other relations such as parents and ex-spouses (more details in footnote).[80]

    * Each dependent receives about 75% to 100% of the deceased worker's basic Social Security benefit. However, as per the Social Security Administration, "there is a limit to the amount of money that can be paid each month to a family. The limit varies, but is generally equal to about 150 to 180 percent of your benefit rate.

    Social Security - Just Facts
    Last edited by ttwtt78640; 03-10-13 at 05:37 PM.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I think if you are getting 70% of your pay for the rest of your life SS should be null and void. You are already getting more than your fair share of tax payer dollars for a job you were overpaid for in the first place.
    "Fair Share" is an idiotic, completely arbitrary notion that is no better used here then it is when people suggest taxes need to be increased on certain people.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As a Federal employee, he doesn't pay into Social Security.
    This is just entirely, unquestionably untrue when presented as just a "federal employee". Some, LONG TIME employees under an old and outdated retirement program didn't require it. Any individuals hired in the past few decades absolutely do pay SS. I can tell you first hand as someone whose been paying Social Security for the past 5+ years while in a government job.

    As to the question, put across in an INCREDIBLY dishonest way by presenting a situation that is exceedingly rare in the grand scale of things (a retired government employee gaining 70% of their high 3 income) as some kind of norm....yes, retired government workers should get Social Security. However, I'd be completely in favor of significant overhaul to the pension program if not an outright removal of it.

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