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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Well, the ones without a COLA. Didn't used to matter so much, but the oil price shocks of the early 1970's put inflation risk on the map. That why a COLA was added to SS. Still, inflation risk is another one that employers want to dump off onto employees if they haven't done so already.
    Inflation risk is a function of government printing too much money. Since the employer entity has no vote, and the employees have all the votes, why should it be the employer's responsibility to guarantee the purchasing power of the employee's retirement? All retirement funds should be defined contribution, and it is the responsibility of the individual to elect representatives who will not destroy the value of their savings.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal Fang View Post
    Hmmm. How did HIS career work out? Otherwise what I'm hearing here is some more good old DMV and fish stories.
    Retired as a GM-13 and moved on to a more profitable career in the private sector. His successor made GM-14 and is still employed there as the supervisor of a small turkey farm. The next guy was much better at political infighting and moved even further up the management ladder after turning the division over to another incompetent. In government, competence is not a prerequisite for success.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Guess I had a different experience. In my career I saw or was involved in the removal of five employees. Reason for dismissal ranged from misuse of govt credit card, misuse of govt. property, taking a govt. vehicle on an unauthorized trip (personal trip for days), unable to pass fitness standards.

    It got harder as time went on to fire someone. The reason imo was the trend in govt towards political correctness , accepting the "its not my fault" mentality, and "you owe me" attitude.
    Agreed that malfeasance makes it easier to fire someone; we had one who got fired for coming in on weekends and charging overtime for downloading porn on a government computer. But I stand by my assertion that it is extremely difficult to fire someone for mere incompetence.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed that malfeasance makes it easier to fire someone; we had one who got fired for coming in on weekends and charging overtime for downloading porn on a government computer. But I stand by my assertion that it is extremely difficult to fire someone for mere incompetence.
    I agree. It is a shame that some have poor work ethic. Those type of people should have to work on a farm or ranch. Maybe they would learn the meaning of a days pay for days work.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Social Security or financially stable
    So you have no qualms about receiving more money than you contributed, based on someone else working.

    Gotcha!
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Nobody should get SS that doesn't need it.

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Nobody should get SS that doesn't need it.
    Nobody should pay into SS and not get it.

    It is a retirement/disability program not a welfare or income redistribution program.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    So you have no qualms about receiving more money than you contributed, based on someone else working.

    Gotcha!
    Nope, no trouble at all

    And if I should ever be diagnosed with a medical condition that is costly to treat, I will be equally OK with receiving more medical treatment than my premium dollars paid for.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My brother in law just retired from a cushy gov job where he made 90K per year and openly bragged about how he spent most of the day shooting the breeze with other gov workers or reading books. He is now getting 70% of his pay and social security. It seems to me he is double dipping, getting a very generous retirement plan and SS. IMO if you are getting a tax payer funded retirement you are getting enough and should not get SS too.
    With CSR nothing is paid into SS and nothing can be taken out.

    With FERS government workers pay into SS and they get to draw it. They also pay into FERS. And they don't have the choice of not paying into either.

    And he doesn't make 70% of his salary. He's lying. I have posted how you figure it from the OPM website before. Go there and figure it. What he is telling you is just not true.

    I, myself, have worked off 4 pensions. And come May I intend to draw every one of them.
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    Re: Should retired government workers get SS

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    My brother in law just retired from a cushy gov job where he made 90K per year and openly bragged about how he spent most of the day shooting the breeze with other gov workers or reading books. He is now getting 70% of his pay and social security. It seems to me he is double dipping, getting a very generous retirement plan and SS. IMO if you are getting a tax payer funded retirement you are getting enough and should not get SS too.

    Did he contribute to both?
    if so he should get both.

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