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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    I am fundamentally against the death penalty. I don't trust even our fairly good judicial system to get it right often enough. I am to afraid of the number of death penalties that cannot be overturned if found to be wrong. I say this even though I knew a police officer killed by a gangster named Adrian Camacho that will sit on death row for longer than most people live naturally. It is pathetic because this one really deserves it and there is no doubt he did it.

    I think the prison sentence should be made as uncomfortable as possible. I like the idea of no entertainment, nothing but 4 white walls and their naked body. What more does the prisoner deserve?

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The same applies when a killer serves 15 years, is released and kills again, does it not? They can also get out by escape or twchnicality. Oopsie, we should have put him down the first time we knew he was willing to kill. I'm willing to bet this happens more often today than wrongful murder convictions.
    No, the same does not happen. For one, there is no innocent family of an innocent man that is suddenly thrust into chaos and probably poverty (though I'm sure you were only addressing the part about the real killer still being loose as you probably didn't have an answer to the innocent family aspect).

    Your premise is still fatally flawed, however, as short sentences can be fixed while there is no guarantee (or even likelihood) that the never-caught person would be caught for the next crime, either. They might go on an commit a dozen crimes before... **IF**... they're ever caught.

    I'd be willing to bet that escapes happen far less often than wrongful convictions. As far as technicalities, be careful what you wish for. Sure, you can "fix" those, too, but do you really want to live in a society that railroads people into convictions because they "know" the person is guilty? You probably do. I don't. Not enough safeguards only serves to increase wrongful convictions and start the first domino falling for destroyed families whose father/husband (usually) did nothing wrong. Winning the case over actual guilt/innocence is already too important to prosecutors as they know too many citizens are blindly trusting and satisfied with an illusion of safety over actual safety.
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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I don't know if you're seriously proposing the idea, or if you're just posing the question to stimulate conversation. Some people do honestly think along these lines, though, and all I can do is shake my head and wonder at the depth of their naivete in blindly trusting the accuracy of our government and justice system.
    If you'll look at who voted for what, you'll see I voted against it. I honestly posted the question just to see if anyone were extremist enough to vote for it. If I were writing a dystopian novel, I might have them use such a system. I have actually met someone who favors having a firing squad standing by for an instant execution in case of a guilty verdict.

    I oppose the death penalty in all forms.

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Murder is the greatest crime and I don't understand why murders are ever released. By executing them, you are doing them a favor. Let them sit in a cell with nothing to do.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The same applies when a killer serves 15 years, is released and kills again, does it not? They can also get out by escape or twchnicality. Oopsie, we should have put him down the first time we knew he was willing to kill. I'm willing to bet this happens more often today than wrongful murder convictions.

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    But what if they're innocent.? Wouldn't that be a fate worse than death?


    Quote Originally Posted by Slateriesling View Post
    I am fundamentally against the death penalty. I don't trust even our fairly good judicial system to get it right often enough. I am to afraid of the number of death penalties that cannot be overturned if found to be wrong. I say this even though I knew a police officer killed by a gangster named Adrian Camacho that will sit on death row for longer than most people live naturally. It is pathetic because this one really deserves it and there is no doubt he did it.

    I think the prison sentence should be made as uncomfortable as possible. I like the idea of no entertainment, nothing but 4 white walls and their naked body. What more does the prisoner deserve?

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Why not just give them the "Obama penalty" - take them out to a field and drone them.

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Murder is the greatest crime and I don't understand why murders are ever released. By executing them, you are doing them a favor. Let them sit in a cell with nothing to do.
    The time, money and effort to keep them alive and monitor them is a waste. Only a kid deserves to be babysat with paying for it. I would only support life sentences if prisoners are forced into slavery so that they actually benefit society in some way.
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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    The time, money and effort to keep them alive and monitor them is a waste. Only a kid deserves to be babysat with paying for it. I would only support life sentences if prisoners are forced into slavery so that they actually benefit society in some way.
    But what about my other question?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    But what if they're innocent.? Wouldn't that be a fate worse than death?

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    in such cases where guilt is not in question ( such as when the defendant pleads guilty)..sure, i'd go for a speedy execution.
    I believe in some places guilty pleas are not allowable for death penalty cases.... which strikes me as stupid ( I think a defendant should be able to wave his appeals rights through a guilty plea, if he is competent and understand what the consequences are.)

    I'm not opposed to the death penalty.... some folks simply deserve to die for their crimes.

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    Re: Would you support instant executions upon sentencing for murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    But what about my other question?
    No, I don't think life in prison is worse than death, especially if the death involves pain or humiliation. Screw the electric chair or lethal injection. Save taxpayer money, because I'll do the honors as community service.

    If they were innocent and wrongfully convicted, oh well. **** happens. Either you need a better justice system or they've got **** for luck to have enough evidence to wrongfully convict them. Life's decisions should all be based on cost/benefit analysis looking at the likelihood of outcomes. Weigh the risks and consider worst case scenarios. A wrongful death penalty conviction kills at most one innocent person. A convicted murderer who becomes free can kill an arbitrary number of innocent people. Here's a short sample of murderers jailed and then killing again:

    CLEARWATER, Fla.: Escaped prisoner gets life for double-murder - Florida Wires - MiamiHerald.com

    A List of Murderers Released to Murder Again!

    http://www.lowellpl.lib.in.us/convicts.htm

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