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Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Citizen

Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Citize

  • Yes,why would it be ok ?

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • No,why wouldn't it be ok "

    Votes: 13 61.9%
  • Other's

    Votes: 5 23.8%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .

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If a terrorist attacker is holding up in a building, and the U.S. authorities can't talk him out because he's not and American.He may be from Afghanistan,Iraq,Turkey.Should drones be used ?
 
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If a terrorist attacker is holding up in a building, and the U.S. authorities can't talk him out because he's not and American.He may be from Afghanistan,Iraq,Turkey.Should drones be used ?
I voted no. I don't really believe non-citizens have rights.However this can lead us down the slippery slope of it being used on Americans and if these drone strikes are like those in other countries innocent bystanders can be harmed and the property of innocent people can be damaged as the result of a drone strike.
 
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If a terrorist attacker is holding up in a building, and the U.S. authorities can't talk him out because he's not and American.He may be from Afghanistan,Iraq,Turkey.Should drones be used ?

on the surface this sounds like it would be a good idea to kill terrorist on u.s. soil, however in reality it OPENS the door for the u.s. government to kill Americans.

because everything the u.s. government does gets prevented.
 
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If you know who he is and where he is (in the US) then why ever use a drone? This poll makes no sense to me.
 
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The drone is just another tool. If there is imminent danger to people and we have a drone that we can get out there, why wouldn't we use it? How would it be any different than sending in a SWAT team? I don't care how you go about killing terrorists, American or otherwise, as long as it someone who is actually a terrorist.
 
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If you know who he is and where he is (in the US) then why ever use a drone? This poll makes no sense to me.

A terrorist is a terrorist's,Rand Paul wanted an answer only for American's terrorist.That's the reason for the Q.:peace
 
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A terrorist is a terrorist's,Rand Paul wanted an answer only for American's terrorist.That's the reason for the Q.:peace

:lol: :doh You specifically mentioned a DIFFERENCE between your terrorists (on US soil) in the poll, based upon their citizenship. Now you assert otherwise = major fail. :roll:

Rand Paul was recently objecting to assassination of ANYONE in the US using a drone, terrorist or not. You may be confusing Rand Paul's and other's objections to intentionally killing US citizens OVERSEAS with drones which was not in your poll at all. ;)
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

:lol: :doh You specifically mentioned a DIFFERENCE between your terrorists (on US soil) in the poll, based upon their citizenship. Now you assert otherwise = major fail. :roll:

Rand Paul was recently objecting to assassination of ANYONE in the US using a drone, terrorist or not. You may be confusing Rand Paul's and other's objections to intentionally killing US citizens OVERSEAS with drones which was not in your poll at all. ;)
I stand by my response to your response, "this poll make's no sense."
 
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No. Because of the slippery slope this may lead to.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

That rational for use overseas is that it's costly in money and lives to send a battalion of soldiers to capture someone hiding out in a village in some foreign country where we don't have a large presence. That rational dissapears when you're talking about capturing someone inside the states.
 
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On American soil, law enforcement is required to always try to take suspects alive. Only if the suspect posses an immediate and potentially fatal threat is lethal force justified. Drone strikes are unacceptable because they currently only have lethal weaponry, which means that any situation where they would be practically useful couldn't be justified legally. Reconnaissance is the only reasonable use of drones in their current state. A taser or judo-bot for subduing suspects non-lethally would be okay if someone invents them in the future.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

I voted no. I don't really believe non-citizens have rights.However this can lead us down the slippery slope of it being used on Americans and if these drone strikes are like those in other countries innocent bystanders can be harmed and the property of innocent people can be damaged as the result of a drone strike.
If in this country legally, they have most of the same rights we do.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

If in this country legally, they have most of the same rights we do.

According to both the text of the U.S. Constitution and historical precedent dating from the policies of the Washington Administration, anyone who can be legally defined as a 'person' enjoys all the rights of the U.S. Constitution minus those explicitly reserved to citizens (such as voting).

That includes all human beings.
 
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If a terrorist attacker is holding up in a building, and the U.S. authorities can't talk him out because he's not and American.He may be from Afghanistan,Iraq,Turkey.Should drones be used ?

If a terrorist is holed up in a building, would you have it bombed by an F-15E? It's the same thing.

Terrorists fall under DHS. They send their guys in to neutralize the threat. Take him alive, aerate his ass, doesn't matter, but you don't bomb US civilians. There's no reason for it, there's no excuse for it. The US isn't the federal government's own private little war zone, and they better keep it that way.
 
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Humans should stop terrorism the best way they see fit. Pity how we've chosen to go about it so far.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

No, civilian agencies shouldn't have drones for anything other than surveillance.
 
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Okay to kill someone without due process who isn't a citizen? Gee, due process would be required for it to be accurately determined whether the person is a citizen. There are currently about 5 million hispanics in America who are citizens who are commonly referred to as not citizens, and at least 3 million more going through the citizenship process who are commonly referred to as not citizens. Also, about a half million immigrants of other races face the same problem of it being disputed whether they are citizens. Is it okay to kill someone on U.S. soil because they appear not to be a citizen, when in fact due process is required to accurately determine their citizenship status? If you're reading this, you're not a citizen. Boom. Oops, that was a citizen after all. well let's just sweep that under the rug....
 
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If a terrorist attacker is holding up in a building, and the U.S. authorities can't talk him out because he's not and American.He may be from Afghanistan,Iraq,Turkey.Should drones be used ?

I suppose if all law enforcement walked off the job and left town and if they can't get their hands on a nuclear weapon, go for the drone.

I'm guessing, though, if it was a government owned building, filled with unionized public servants, the US authorities would wait him out.

Who knew Americans were becoming so deranged that they would try to invent scenarios to justify giving the power to murder people within the US borders to the President of the United States. Think about it - why limit it to terrorists? Why not drone a building held by bank robbers? Kidnappers? Pro-life protestors? Who's next?
 
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just think about the current legal definition of suspected terrorists according to DHS. Every American Veteral of a foreign war is on that list of suspected terrorists. Now say it's okay to kill a suspected terrorist who isn't a citizen, without due process. 1 in 4 American Veterans of foreign wars don't have immediate proof of citizenship , due process would be required for hem to have a chance to prove they are citizens. Kill by drone attack, suspected terrorists who aren't citizens, without due process? Great, the Government will save millions on veteran's benefits, and Congress can have another payraise. Yep, it passes the brilliant-idea test, it results in Congress getting a payraise.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

just think about the current legal definition of suspected terrorists according to DHS. Every American Veteral of a foreign war is on that list of suspected terrorists. Now say it's okay to kill a suspected terrorist who isn't a citizen, without due process. 1 in 4 American Veterans of foreign wars don't have immediate proof of citizenship , due process would be required for hem to have a chance to prove they are citizens. Kill by drone attack, suspected terrorists who aren't citizens, without due process? Great, the Government will save millions on veteran's benefits, and Congress can have another payraise. Yep, it passes the brilliant-idea test, it results in Congress getting a payraise.

Good morning AW76.

Why would any American Veteran be on such a list? And who made such a horrible decision? We need to support our troops, not put them on a list that gives them a bad name. One of my uncles died defending this Country, and somebody decided men like him might be potential terrorists? What is happening in DC? Give me a break! :(
 
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I think we should use everything. Aircraft carriers, tanks, subs, ballistic missiles - the whole enchilada. Maybe even trained killer dolphins. We'll get him.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

I think we should use everything. Aircraft carriers, tanks, subs, ballistic missiles - the whole enchilada. Maybe even trained killer dolphins. We'll get him.

Good morning, Humbolt.

I like the trained killer dolphins idea! They are intelligent, they don't harm each other, they are eager to learn new tricks, and they're just plain lovable! What's not to like? :)
 
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Good morning, Humbolt.

I like the trained killer dolphins idea! They are intelligent, they don't harm each other, they are eager to learn new tricks, and they're just plain lovable! What's not to like? :)
Indeed. With all the assets at our disposal here, I really don't understand the question posed by the poll. In fact, I don't understand why this administration had any problem at all in making the statement Senator Paul requested. We have used drones in places like Pakistan and Afghanistan because either we don't have assets in the immediate area or we don't want to put any that are at risk. We have no such problem here.
 
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No, everyone has the right to life US citizen or not.
 
Re: Should The U.S.Government Use Drones,On Terrorist In the USA,That Are Not U.S.Cit

If a terrorist attacker is holding up in a building, and the U.S. authorities can't talk him out because he's not and American.He may be from Afghanistan,Iraq,Turkey.Should drones be used ?

Do you know anything about how law enforcement works? Ever hear of interpreters? or how about negotiators? It's almost like with these crazy drone scenarios people are thinking up, you've never ever seen a Die Hard film or a cop show... Please watch an episode of law & order so that you can get some idea about how our law enforcement services work. I know Die Hard and Cop shows are only based on actual events and don't portray everything accurately, but even Die Hard is less hypothetical than what you are talking about!

I chose other because the scenarios that you people are thinking up are crazy hypotheticals that have no basis in reality.
 
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