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Thread: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Disagreement is healthy. How one chooses to resolve it may not be. So what's the big deal? They aren't duelling near the reflecting pool yet.
    I think it's exciting because many on the right have voted for programs from the left now, understanding the constituents are not happy with their party. After ALL the money spent in this past election, many right wingers lost elections.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Neither. If they become more like Teddy Roosevelt's Republicans, then maybe I could support them.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Neither. If they become more like Teddy Roosevelt's Republicans, then maybe I could support them.
    A progressive then?

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    A progressive then?
    Teddy Roosevelt's style of progressives, not today's. I'd doubt he would have supported gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Teddy Roosevelt's style of progressives, not today's. I'd doubt he would have supported gun control.
    There is still plenty of conservative progressives out there and I'm sure plenty of conservatives would support them too.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I think it's exciting because many on the right have voted for programs from the left now, understanding the constituents are not happy with their party. After ALL the money spent in this past election, many right wingers lost elections.
    The constituents are a fickle lot. They aren't happy with Obama's programs either, if the polls are to be believed. After the last election, we have been told to believe the polls are absolutely true. That, I certainly can't answer. But there is sufficient doubt that I think we are in a state of political flux here right now. Events external to the current climate will probably have more to do with the outcome of all of this than not, and nobody knows what they will be. Patience is not a virtue endorsed by the political atmosphere here just now, so the sniping will continue - to no good end.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The constituents are a fickle lot. They aren't happy with Obama's programs either, if the polls are to be believed. After the last election, we have been told to believe the polls are absolutely true. That, I certainly can't answer. But there is sufficient doubt that I think we are in a state of political flux here right now. Events external to the current climate will probably have more to do with the outcome of all of this than not, and nobody knows what they will be. Patience is not a virtue endorsed by the political atmosphere here just now, so the sniping will continue - to no good end.

    The republcian party is DESPERATELY trying to gather those its have disenfranchised. It is even trying to appeal to immigrants, while part of its party is pushing deportation of immigrants in the Central American regions but not the Chinese, Europeans, Slavic nations, etc.

    The republicans are also trying to woo women, by reversing their votes on VAWA. However, the republicans have allowed the social tea partiers and their hatreds to infiltrate their party for decades. They won't recover from being labeled the party of the upper 1% for years.
    Alex Carey:

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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The constituents are a fickle lot. They aren't happy with Obama's programs either, if the polls are to be believed. After the last election, we have been told to believe the polls are absolutely true. That, I certainly can't answer. But there is sufficient doubt that I think we are in a state of political flux here right now. Events external to the current climate will probably have more to do with the outcome of all of this than not, and nobody knows what they will be. Patience is not a virtue endorsed by the political atmosphere here just now, so the sniping will continue - to no good end.
    Yes indeed, constituents are a fickle lot. I have made it a hobby of mine to study independent/swing voters ever since I worked and campaigned for Perot back in 92. This group is the fickle lot, not those who associate themselves with either of the two major parties. It is also very interesting to note that those who classify themselves as independents has grown from 30% during Perot’s time to 40% today. This backs up your statement about the over all populace not being happing with either parties doings or programs as you put it. There is a growing dislike for both parties, more so on the GOP side than the Democratic side as the latest Gallup Poll show only 28% of the electorate identify themselves with the Republicans and 32% with the Democrats.

    What is interesting here is that Obama won by 4 points, the exact difference that is between the parties which mean independents split right down the middle, 50-50 for the republicans and democrats. In 2006 and 2008 independents went slightly for the democrats and in 2010 they went in a big way for the republicans and now we are back to an even split. This fickle group decides elections and which way they will go in 2014 is anybody’s guess at this time. But the bad new for the GOP is since they have less loyal members than the Democrats, they have to win around 53% of the independent vote to win. Democrats can win at least nationally by only gaining around 48% of this group.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    The republcian party is DESPERATELY trying to gather those its have disenfranchised. It is even trying to appeal to immigrants, while part of its party is pushing deportation of immigrants in the Central American regions but not the Chinese, Europeans, Slavic nations, etc.

    The republicans are also trying to woo women, by reversing their votes on VAWA. However, the republicans have allowed the social tea partiers and their hatreds to infiltrate their party for decades. They won't recover from being labeled the party of the upper 1% for years.
    Actually both parties are the party of the upper 1% or I should say of corporations, wall street firms and special interests. If you look at the campaign donations from these groups, the democrats actually have a slight advantage. Corporations do not care which party wins, they just want the winner to owe them for all the cash they give. you would be surprised at how many of these wall street firms and corporations give to both parties. Most of their money will go to incumbents, they usually win, but they will still give money to the challengers just in case they win. This way no matter who wins, the winner still owes them.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    The republcian party is DESPERATELY trying to gather those its have disenfranchised. It is even trying to appeal to immigrants, while part of its party is pushing deportation of immigrants in the Central American regions but not the Chinese, Europeans, Slavic nations, etc.

    The republicans are also trying to woo women, by reversing their votes on VAWA. However, the republicans have allowed the social tea partiers and their hatreds to infiltrate their party for decades. They won't recover from being labeled the party of the upper 1% for years.
    This use of franchise in it's various forms is troubling. The very idea that government can cure every social ill is flawed at the outset. Somewhere within that is wrapped up the insidious notion that life itself as it exists here is not worth living as it is. The result is a bunch of whining little children impatient with the advance of society at a pace that accommodates change from generation to generation, and not day to day. The GOP will go through some change to reshape it's ideas, and what role social issues have in the mix is yet to be determined. You may wish to label it this or that, and you might be efective, but only as far as the label is believable. You're stretching it, as the recent sequester flubub has shown. Noam Chomsky? Really?

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