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The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

Which side of the GOP will you support?


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The fact that some candidates and would-be leaders (of whom most people have never heard) may spout off has no bearing on the views of members of the tea party movement. They are useful only to lefties trying to propagate a false meme.:roll:

:agree I've observed that most people who claim they really don't care about something generally don't spend their time talking about it constantly. Another unexplained mystery, I guess.... :screwy:
 
The fact that some candidates and would-be leaders (of whom most people have never heard) may spout off has no bearing on the views of members of the tea party movement. They are useful only to lefties trying to propagate a false meme.:roll:

No, this comes from the right wing tea party itself. It was performed and stated by the tea party. The fact you can't accept the idea that the tea party is NOT a cohesive group, but is as fractured and damaged as the republican party reflects the refusal of the right to see the reality of their own disarray.
 
No, this comes from the right wing tea party itself. It was performed and stated by the tea party. The fact you can't accept the idea that the tea party is NOT a cohesive group, but is as fractured and damaged as the republican party reflects the refusal of the right to see the reality of their own disarray.

Oh, I quite agree that the tea party is decentralized. I think that's a strength. The figures you cited simply have no standing to speak for anyone beyond themselves.:cool:
 
Oh, I quite agree that the tea party is decentralized. I think that's a strength. The figures you cited simply have no standing to speak for anyone beyond themselves.:cool:

Not true. They speak for a lot of tea partiers. And they are not decentralized. They are fractured. And have lost their appeal to many.

REPORT: Number Of Tea Party Events Down More Than 50 Percent In 2011 | ThinkProgress

Last September, Tea Party Patriots co-founder Jenny Beth Martin answered critics who predicted that the movement would soon peter out: “The Tea Party movement is here to stay.” Seven months later, presidential candidate Herman Cain — a Tea Party favorite — echoed the same sentiment: “I have people asking me all the time. Do you think this Tea-Party ‘thing’ is going to go away? [...] No, it’s not going away. It’s gonna get stronger and stronger.”

A ThinkProgress investigation, however, shows a far different picture. Indeed, empirical evidence points to one conclusion: Tea Party activity has declined sharply thus far in 2011.

For this report, ThinkProgress examined the total number of events across the country listed on the Tea Party Patriots (TPP) and Americans for Prosperity (AFP) websites each month. We then compared the number of Tea Parties that occurred in 2010 with the number that took place in the first seven months of 2011.

The results were startling. For TPP, fewer than half the number of Tea Party events took place in the first seven months of 2011 compared to the same time period in 2010. Furthermore, while an average of 337 Tea Parties were held across the country each month of 2010, this year that number has dropped to just 166 events per month and continues to decline.

The far right wing extremist ideas are not appealing to many now. There's no viable candidate. Romney played to the tea party in his candidacy and alienated the majority of the GOP who didn't turn out to vote for such nonsense.

The extremism of the tea party is embedded in the minds of Americans. They are what is destroying the credibility of the republican party.

Tim Huelskamp and the Tea Party post-2012 election: John Boehner strips outspoken conservatives of key committee positions. - Slate Magazine

Over the next two weeks, Washington bubbled with rumors of Republicans agreeing to raise taxes, and violate the pledge they’d made to Grover Norquist, if it got them a “grand bargain” that cut spending on entitlements. Huelskamp responded with a YouTube video in which he warned that “a lot of my colleagues appear ready to break their word,” but when he signed that pledge, he “meant it.” On Dec. 3, Republican leaders sent an open letter to President Obama admitting that their ideal plan couldn’t pass, but some combination of entitlement cuts and “revenue” enhancement could. Conservatives like Huelskamp attacked, joined by David Koch’s Tea Party group Americans for Prosperity and the Heritage Foundation.

This was when Huelskamp learned he’d lost the plum committee assignment. Joining him in exile were Michigan Rep. Justin Amash, who’d also been bounced from Budget, and Arizona Rep. David Schweikert, who’d lost a place on Financial Services. Huelskamp and Amash had both voted against Paul Ryan’s 2013 budget when it got into the committee, on the grounds that it didn’t balance fast enough.
 
Not true. They speak for a lot of tea partiers. And they are not decentralized. They are fractured. And have lost their appeal to many.

REPORT: Number Of Tea Party Events Down More Than 50 Percent In 2011 | ThinkProgress



The far right wing extremist ideas are not appealing to many now. There's no viable candidate. Romney played to the tea party in his candidacy and alienated the majority of the GOP who didn't turn out to vote for such nonsense.

The extremism of the tea party is embedded in the minds of Americans. They are what is destroying the credibility of the republican party.

Tim Huelskamp and the Tea Party post-2012 election: John Boehner strips outspoken conservatives of key committee positions. - Slate Magazine

You clearly don't need a discussion partner because you prefer to talk only to yourself. Stay with that, and watch what happens in 2014.:cool:
 
I would think about supporting the Eisenhower Republicans, if there were any left.
 
Oh, I quite agree that the tea party is decentralized. I think that's a strength. The figures you cited simply have no standing to speak for anyone beyond themselves.:cool:

Being decentralized is hardly a gift in American politics. It makes you less politically viable.
 
Choosing between T-Nuts and Neocons leaves me saying neither. But when one is faced with choosing either RINO or Libertarian, I'd say both have their appeal. So, maybe t-Nuts and Libertarians should not be grouped together, nor should the RINO and Neo-cons.
 
There is no civil war in the GOP. It iss just left wing talking points.
 
There is no civil war in the GOP. It iss just left wing talking points.

Actually I think that there is considerable dissention among the ranks, perhaps not an outright war but very close to it. Some want smaller gov't spending (even including defense). Some want about the same spending just on different things. Some want to drop the social issue enforcement planks (allow SSM, abortion and marijuana to be legal). Some want to keep social issues intact, even strengthen those areas. Some want to play world policeman and crack down on Iran, NK and anyone else that "breaks bad". Some want to cut all foreign aid. Some want to save Israel even if they start a huge war. There are many diverse folks that claim to be in the party or tend to vote for republicant candidates quite often. The republicants are in dire need of expanding the base and must think very carefully how to accomplish that and very, very soon.
 
Actually I think that there is considerable dissention among the ranks, perhaps not an outright war but very close to it. Some want smaller gov't spending (even including defense). Some want about the same spending just on different things. Some want to drop the social issue enforcement planks (allow SSM, abortion and marijuana to be legal). Some want to keep social issues intact, even strengthen those areas. Some want to play world policeman and crack down on Iran, NK and anyone else that "breaks bad". Some want to cut all foreign aid. Some want to save Israel even if they start a huge war. There are many diverse folks that claim to be in the party or tend to vote for republicant candidates quite often. The republicants are in dire need of expanding the base and must think very carefully how to accomplish that and very, very soon.



I think they would do well to abandon all of the ridiculous holier than thou idiocy that they seem to think keeps the holy rollers in the fold.

Concentrate on the fiscal stuff and let the gays marry each other. Stable homes generate more taxes and pay property taxes to support schools.

As long as the issue is some hysterical biddy with her finger on the trigger saying that the Constitution is not a law, we're screwed.

Right now we have a swindle going on in which the mass media has reneged on their responsibility to act as the Fourth Estate. As long as the stenographers in the press just fawn over the Democrat snake oil salesmen and ignore the actual situation, nobody knows what's going on and we just continue to spend more, create a bigger debt and lose more international prestige.

It's time to focus on what's important and just sweep the rest aside.
 
McCain essentially told the American people today on the Senate floor that if you supported Rand Paul's fillibuster, you were an "impressionable kid".

I don't know but being closer to 40 than 30 much less being an "impressionable kid", I take offense to that comment.


So in the GOP's Civil War which side are you on?
The vote as it is now is TeaPartiers and Libertarians 34 to RINO's and NeoCons 15.
Let me reword: Since about 1/3 of the party wants a change it is going to change.
The possible results are:
1) A much smaller Tea/Lib party with RINO’s and NeoCons dropped out of a place to be.
2) RINO’s and NeoCons regaining power and the Tea party having it’s demonstrations again.
3) A party that still doesn’t know who it is.


Code1211 just posted: It's time to focus on what's important and just sweep the rest aside.

So who will be left?
 
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I'm a liberal. All I can say is I am enjoying watching the right wing come apart at the seams.

I do not believe that it is "coming apart". I believe that the Republican party is changing. There are certain people in the Republican party that are tired of the corruption and the hate that is trying to be protected by some of the old minded Republicans.
 
There is no civil war in the GOP. It iss just left wing talking points.

I would urge you to look closely to how there is a divide between the Republican leadership. Although the words "Civil War" may be a bit extreme, people need to realize that the Republicans are not as one any longer.
 
McCain essentially told the American people today on the Senate floor that if you supported Rand Paul's fillibuster, you were an "impressionable kid".

I don't know but being closer to 40 than 30 much less being an "impressionable kid", I take offense to that comment.


So in the GOP's Civil War which side are you on?

I think that there's a third side of the GOP that gov. Jindal describes as stupid. The side that thinks if women want comprehensive health care they're a bunch of sluts. The twice elected president of the United States isn't even eligible to run for office because he's not an American. Hip, hip hooray, the murder rate in Chicago is up, cause for celebration because that's Obama's home town. Obama is a Muslim but supports gay marriage and likes sitting down to a delicious meal of puppy and ice cold beer, all of which are prohibited under Islam. The guy absolutely loves terrorists; the use of drones to wipe them off the off the face if the earth should not even be up for discussion because all he wants to do is use them to sky on and kill Americans. Ever notice his middle name is Hussein and his last name rhymes with Osama? Wake up America! And he had nothing to do with getting Osama bin laden, that was the military. Etc. etc. etc. interestingly, it is this third side that gets associated with the tea arty traditionalists in the GOP, actually the entire GOP but mostly the tea party traditionalists.
 
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To those claiming there is no GOP civil war:

Gingrich Calls Romney's 'Gift' Comments 'Insulting' - ABC News

Jindal blasts Mitt Romney for blaming defeat on Obama

N.J. Gov. Chris Christie: Not*my fault that Mitt Romney lost! - NY Daily News

US presidential election 2012: Sarah Palin 'disappointed' by the turnout | Mail Online

Ohio Senator Portman changes course on gay marriage - CSMonitor.com

Senate debate over drones divides Republican Party - Los Angeles Times

I would say this is about as close to a civil war as it gets. Only it's for party/ideological leadership. The Republicans can't even seem to agree on things they were all marching and beating their drums to a few years ago. They have only themselves to blame though. Following Nixon's Southern Strategy was a terrible idea in the long run. The GOP created a coalition of wealthy white protestants, poor Southerners and neoliberals. That was NEVER going to work out with a population that is only getting more socially progressive.
 
And dont forget how polotically correct he is while raining down hellfire missles on them from those scary drones. Maybe it is just where I live but this group seem to dominate the rest of the Republicnas. I honetstly have not talked to a reasonable Republicna for years. Then there is Rush...
I think that there's a third side of the GOP that gov. Jindal describes as stupid. The side that thinks if women want comprehensive health care they're a bunch of sluts. The twice elected president of the United States isn't even eligible to run for office because he's not an American. Hip, hip hooray, the murder rate in Chicago is up, cause for celebration because that's Obama's home town. Obama is a Muslim but supports gay marriage and likes sitting down to a delicious meal of puppy and ice cold beer, all of which are prohibited under Islam. The guy absolutely loves terrorists; the use of drones to wipe them off the off the face if the earth should not even be up for discussion because all he wants to do is use them to sky on and kill Americans. Ever notice his middle name is Hussein and his last name rhymes with Osama? Wake up America! And he had nothing to do with getting Osama bin laden, that was the military. Etc. etc. etc. interestingly, it is this third side that gets associated with the tea arty traditionalists in the GOP, actually the entire GOP but mostly the tea party traditionalists.
 
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