View Poll Results: Which side of the GOP will you support?

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    42 71.19%
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Thread: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    The GOP unfortunately is mostly go along and get along but above all get reelected country club elites. Most would be content to play second fiddle to the democrats as long as they get to keep their cushy jobs. The old guys need to be swept out of the way to make room for the new young bloods that have ideas and energy and want this country to return to the Reagan era America. These old men that walk around like they have sticks up their butts on their way from one 3 martini meal to another make me want to get the death panels up and running.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Who'd you vote for in 2012?

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    I'm a liberal. All I can say is I am enjoying watching the right wing come apart at the seams.

    this too shall pass...

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whipsnade View Post
    I might send contributions to both sides.
    I'm in the process of sending a donation to every Senator who took part in yesterday's activities that backed Sen. Paul.

    Just getting all the participants names and the appropriate websites.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    "Tea parties" were originally constitutionalist, fiscal-conservative gatherings dominated by libertarians.

    At least that's how it was in Boston and in Seattle. Two places I am most familiar with. (The first-ever "tea party" was held here, in the Emerald City, on Feb 16, 2009. Keli Carender was the organizer).

    The central premise of the tea parties (and the prime source of their relative success) was: we, conservatives, libertarians and moderates now (having been shaked out of complacency by the Crisis) come together to promote candidates who would do better than the alternatives, when it comes to fiscal responsibility, pro-free-market policies and individual rights. And - we declare truce on the fronts of our disagreements ("social issues", immigration, etc).

    Yes, from the beginning it was a populist movement (instantly dumbed-down from its "Ron Paul Revoluton" predecessor). But: It did produce Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Nikki Haley, Mike Lee, et al. They are the best the GOP has to offer. This is a fairly faint praise, but yes - "better" - much better -than "the alternatives". From my, moderate-libertarian point of view.

    Of course, nothing fails like success. When it became clear that "tea-party-ism" means more votes and better publicity, a whole bunch of perfectly statist demagogues jumped on the bandwagon. The "bachmannisation" is a real thing, and it is not pretty. But I think the core of the tea-party movement is still healthy - as healthy as anything populist can be in principle.
    When I first began reading this I began loading my gun to shoot myself. But then I thought about it, you're absolutely right. The basis of the TEA Party is not what is seen on television. Those TEA Partiers that tend to be heard the most are the ones that were picked up with Bachmann.

    What is really needed is a bi-partisan party to be made. Just a moderate party, where it's okay to favor gay marriage and spending cuts. That's what we need. That's what the Libertarian, or maybe even the TEA, party needs to be
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I'm in the process of sending a donation to every Senator who took part in yesterday's activities that backed Sen. Paul.

    Just getting all the participants names and the appropriate websites.
    So you don't agree with John McCain's statement that Rand Paul was catering to Libertarian college students in their dorms ?...........

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    This perfectly exemplifies (one of) the problem(s) with the RWers. First of all the POTUS never intended to kill any US citizen with a drone who is not an imment threat. Secondly they are at least dozens of ways the POTUS could have someone killed without a drone at all involved. This issue came up because drones are scary and there is a scary (other) in the white house. I think it is great the RWers are bickering about meaningless issues. Maybe they can start on the birth certificate thing again soon.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The GOP unfortunately is mostly go along and get along but above all get reelected country club elites. Most would be content to play second fiddle to the democrats as long as they get to keep their cushy jobs. The old guys need to be swept out of the way to make room for the new young bloods that have ideas and energy and want this country to return to the Reagan era America. These old men that walk around like they have sticks up their butts on their way from one 3 martini meal to another make me want to get the death panels up and running.
    Most of the old men you talk about were brought in during the Reagan era. They are more Reaganite than the tea party.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    I am not in the GOP so I support none of the sides really, but it feels to me like the Koch Brothers are trying to win control of the corporate conservative agenda by making an end run with the social conservatives and the other corporate conservatives are not willing to go into that good night. It is more a Gentleman's Club civil war somewhat akin to that Eddie Murphy movie Trading Places (I think that was the one where they made Eddie a homeless guy an executive and ruined the life of an executive just for sport)

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Gary Johnson
    Me too, I will be darn if I will ever vote for the parties that have caused all the problems this countries face today. Neither has a workable solution to the problems. Both owe their heart and soul to those who donate all the money for them to run their campaigns, the special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street, super pacs, huge big money donors, and on and on. The people do not donate their hundreds of millions just because they believe in a cause, they do so for favorable legislation and tax breaks, incentives, subsidies. A lot of these corporations and wall street firms give to both sides just in case the incumbent loses, the challenger will already owe them. Good for you my friend.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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