View Poll Results: Which side of the GOP will you support?

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    42 71.19%
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Thread: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Yes, because true libertarians tend not to be social "purists".
    Thank God. The TEA Party irks me to no end. Libertarians on the other hand... I tend to side with.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    I'm with the young pups!

    McCain needs to go home and be quiet.

    IMO the sooner the old guard goes away-both sides-the better

    My dream would be for a viable 3rd party to come along,

    but I won't hold my breath waiting.
    I voted in 08 (forever to my shame) for Obama expressly because I was voting against McCain.

    Since then, whenever there has been a 3rd party choice, (Green or Libertarian) that is the candidate who got my vote.


    Unfortunately, unless some major developments take place, infiltration of the 2 major parties is the only way to get our voices heard.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Is it possible to side with the Libertarians and not the TEA Party?
    With time, now is when allied causes need align.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I respect McCain a lot. On this issue, he is wrong. Which is fine. I often disagree with people I respect alot.


    I have respect for McCain for his service to his country and for his obvious courage as a POW.

    I don't like his brand of politics and he is a constant pain in the side of the Republicans.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Is it possible to side with the Libertarians and not the TEA Party?

    Absolutely.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    McCain essentially told the American people today on the Senate floor that if you supported Rand Paul's fillibuster, you were an "impressionable kid".

    I don't know but being closer to 40 than 30 much less being an "impressionable kid", I take offense to that comment.


    So in the GOP's Civil War which side are you on?
    I'm a liberal. All I can say is I am enjoying watching the right wing come apart at the seams.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I voted in 08 (forever to my shame) for Obama expressly because I was voting against McCain.

    Since then, whenever there has been a 3rd party choice, (Green or Libertarian) that is the candidate who got my vote.


    Unfortunately, unless some major developments take place, infiltration of the 2 major parties is the only way to get our voices heard.
    Who'd you vote for in 2012?
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yea McCain's wrong all right. But civil war ?

    Sounds like a left wing narrative in the making.
    Unfortunately it's pretty much true.

    This past year I was the treasurer for one of my state Senators campaign. There were a couple of major donors who were Republican locks that ended up giving to the Democrat challenger. It so happens that both of these guys were McCain cronies. We also has a McCain supported candidate in another campaign who provided strategic support to the Democrat running against another candidate in another race. There is no question whatsoever that the AZGOP has not only taken a side in this "civil war" but has actively provided support for their cause.

    The RINO's primary goal is to maintain a political aristocracy and, like the Democrats, believe that expansive government control over individuals is necessary to maintain that aristocracy. They're right but that isn't exactly what the purpose of government in America is supposed to be.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    Thank God. The TEA Party irks me to no end. Libertarians on the other hand... I tend to side with.
    "Tea parties" were originally constitutionalist, fiscal-conservative gatherings dominated by libertarians.

    At least that's how it was in Boston and in Seattle. Two places I am most familiar with. (The first-ever "tea party" was held here, in the Emerald City, on Feb 16, 2009. Keli Carender was the organizer).

    The central premise of the tea parties (and the prime source of their relative success) was: we, conservatives, libertarians and moderates now (having been shaked out of complacency by the Crisis) come together to promote candidates who would do better than the alternatives, when it comes to fiscal responsibility, pro-free-market policies and individual rights. And - we declare truce on the fronts of our disagreements ("social issues", immigration, etc).

    Yes, from the beginning it was a populist movement (instantly dumbed-down from its "Ron Paul Revoluton" predecessor). But: It did produce Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Nikki Haley, Mike Lee, et al. They are the best the GOP has to offer. This is a fairly faint praise, but yes - "better" - much better -than "the alternatives". From my, moderate-libertarian point of view.

    Of course, nothing fails like success. When it became clear that "tea-party-ism" means more votes and better publicity, a whole bunch of perfectly statist demagogues jumped on the bandwagon. The "bachmannisation" is a real thing, and it is not pretty. But I think the core of the tea-party movement is still healthy - as healthy as anything populist can be in principle.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    McCain essentially told the American people today on the Senate floor that if you supported Rand Paul's fillibuster, you were an "impressionable kid".

    I don't know but being closer to 40 than 30 much less being an "impressionable kid", I take offense to that comment.


    So in the GOP's Civil War which side are you on?
    I might send contributions to both sides.
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