View Poll Results: Which side of the GOP will you support?

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    42 71.19%
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Thread: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The fact that some candidates and would-be leaders (of whom most people have never heard) may spout off has no bearing on the views of members of the tea party movement. They are useful only to lefties trying to propagate a false meme.
    I've observed that most people who claim they really don't care about something generally don't spend their time talking about it constantly. Another unexplained mystery, I guess.... :

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The fact that some candidates and would-be leaders (of whom most people have never heard) may spout off has no bearing on the views of members of the tea party movement. They are useful only to lefties trying to propagate a false meme.
    No, this comes from the right wing tea party itself. It was performed and stated by the tea party. The fact you can't accept the idea that the tea party is NOT a cohesive group, but is as fractured and damaged as the republican party reflects the refusal of the right to see the reality of their own disarray.
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, this comes from the right wing tea party itself. It was performed and stated by the tea party. The fact you can't accept the idea that the tea party is NOT a cohesive group, but is as fractured and damaged as the republican party reflects the refusal of the right to see the reality of their own disarray.
    Oh, I quite agree that the tea party is decentralized. I think that's a strength. The figures you cited simply have no standing to speak for anyone beyond themselves.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Oh, I quite agree that the tea party is decentralized. I think that's a strength. The figures you cited simply have no standing to speak for anyone beyond themselves.
    Not true. They speak for a lot of tea partiers. And they are not decentralized. They are fractured. And have lost their appeal to many.

    REPORT: Number Of Tea Party Events Down More Than 50 Percent In 2011 | ThinkProgress

    Last September, Tea Party Patriots co-founder Jenny Beth Martin answered critics who predicted that the movement would soon peter out: “The Tea Party movement is here to stay.” Seven months later, presidential candidate Herman Cain — a Tea Party favorite — echoed the same sentiment: “I have people asking me all the time. Do you think this Tea-Party ‘thing’ is going to go away? [...] No, it’s not going away. It’s gonna get stronger and stronger.”

    A ThinkProgress investigation, however, shows a far different picture. Indeed, empirical evidence points to one conclusion: Tea Party activity has declined sharply thus far in 2011.

    For this report, ThinkProgress examined the total number of events across the country listed on the Tea Party Patriots (TPP) and Americans for Prosperity (AFP) websites each month. We then compared the number of Tea Parties that occurred in 2010 with the number that took place in the first seven months of 2011.

    The results were startling. For TPP, fewer than half the number of Tea Party events took place in the first seven months of 2011 compared to the same time period in 2010. Furthermore, while an average of 337 Tea Parties were held across the country each month of 2010, this year that number has dropped to just 166 events per month and continues to decline.
    The far right wing extremist ideas are not appealing to many now. There's no viable candidate. Romney played to the tea party in his candidacy and alienated the majority of the GOP who didn't turn out to vote for such nonsense.

    The extremism of the tea party is embedded in the minds of Americans. They are what is destroying the credibility of the republican party.

    Tim Huelskamp and the Tea Party post-2012 election: John Boehner strips outspoken conservatives of key committee positions. - Slate Magazine


    Over the next two weeks, Washington bubbled with rumors of Republicans agreeing to raise taxes, and violate the pledge they’d made to Grover Norquist, if it got them a “grand bargain” that cut spending on entitlements. Huelskamp responded with a YouTube video in which he warned that “a lot of my colleagues appear ready to break their word,” but when he signed that pledge, he “meant it.” On Dec. 3, Republican leaders sent an open letter to President Obama admitting that their ideal plan couldn’t pass, but some combination of entitlement cuts and “revenue” enhancement could. Conservatives like Huelskamp attacked, joined by David Koch’s Tea Party group Americans for Prosperity and the Heritage Foundation.

    This was when Huelskamp learned he’d lost the plum committee assignment. Joining him in exile were Michigan Rep. Justin Amash, who’d also been bounced from Budget, and Arizona Rep. David Schweikert, who’d lost a place on Financial Services. Huelskamp and Amash had both voted against Paul Ryan’s 2013 budget when it got into the committee, on the grounds that it didn’t balance fast enough.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Not true. They speak for a lot of tea partiers. And they are not decentralized. They are fractured. And have lost their appeal to many.

    REPORT: Number Of Tea Party Events Down More Than 50 Percent In 2011 | ThinkProgress



    The far right wing extremist ideas are not appealing to many now. There's no viable candidate. Romney played to the tea party in his candidacy and alienated the majority of the GOP who didn't turn out to vote for such nonsense.

    The extremism of the tea party is embedded in the minds of Americans. They are what is destroying the credibility of the republican party.

    Tim Huelskamp and the Tea Party post-2012 election: John Boehner strips outspoken conservatives of key committee positions. - Slate Magazine
    You clearly don't need a discussion partner because you prefer to talk only to yourself. Stay with that, and watch what happens in 2014.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    I would think about supporting the Eisenhower Republicans, if there were any left.

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    The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Oh, I quite agree that the tea party is decentralized. I think that's a strength. The figures you cited simply have no standing to speak for anyone beyond themselves.
    Being decentralized is hardly a gift in American politics. It makes you less politically viable.
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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    So in the GOP's Civil War which side are you on?
    I'm on the side of freedom and local-self government.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Choosing between T-Nuts and Neocons leaves me saying neither. But when one is faced with choosing either RINO or Libertarian, I'd say both have their appeal. So, maybe t-Nuts and Libertarians should not be grouped together, nor should the RINO and Neo-cons.

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    Re: The GOP Civil War: Choose a side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Being decentralized is hardly a gift in American politics. It makes you less politically viable.
    Check back in 2014.
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