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    Re: Helping Jose

    IMO, the majority of problems on earth comes from over population. In many areas the land cannot sustain the human population that lives their. It could be food, it could be water. Charity should starts at home.

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Damn. Jimmy beat me to it. Just barely.
    Don't worry about it. It's good enough to watch twice. It did remind me that it's time for me to go where the work is.

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Don't worry about it. It's good enough to watch twice. It did remind me that it's time for me to go where the work is.
    That's what I do...and did. I was born and raised in Michigan, but if you're going to look for a job, you don't look in the state with the highest unemployment rate in the country.

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have probably seen these commercials to help some poor kid in South America where they claim just a dollar a day will change a child's life. It tugged at my heart strings so I called for more info. They sent me a bio of this kid from a very poor family with eight kids. They said that if I helped feed him he could grow up to someday have a family of his own. It occurred to me that all I was doing by helping little Jose was enabling a culture that has to many kids per family too even feed. They need to learn to live within their means and by giving Jose money I was just helping to perpetuate a culture that needs to change. Give Jose money so he can grow up and have more kids than he can feed? WTF is that about. Anyway I didn't join the charity. So I wonder how others here feel, are you helping or hurting when you sign up for this program.
    A few decades ago I ended up in Tegucigalpa, Honduras. As I was driving into town I saw a huge white building on a hilltop which was the presidential palace. To my right, on a hillside adjacent to the highway, were hundreds of people living under scraps of plywood or tarps. Most of the kids were naked and there was a dead horse at the bottom of the hill. I'd never seen that kind of poverty before and it was striking. As time went by I noticed that in most of the towns the majority of people lived in what was no more than a stable...kind of a row house with one room apartments and dirt floors. The men worked in the fields and the women made hammocks from kits that got distributed as some kid of economic incentive. The kids sold the hammocks or pimped their sisters.

    The land owners sold their crops and paid the elected officials who turned the other way when claims of abuse were presented and the cops would beat anyone who complained and then steal whatever money they had....unless they were a drug dealer or whore monger in which case they would be "enforcers".

    There is no charitable organization that is going to be able to fix that. Not for a dollar and not for a million dollars.

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have probably seen these commercials to help some poor kid in South America where they claim just a dollar a day will change a child's life. It tugged at my heart strings so I called for more info. They sent me a bio of this kid from a very poor family with eight kids. They said that if I helped feed him he could grow up to someday have a family of his own. It occurred to me that all I was doing by helping little Jose was enabling a culture that has to many kids per family too even feed. They need to learn to live within their means and by giving Jose money I was just helping to perpetuate a culture that needs to change. Give Jose money so he can grow up and have more kids than he can feed? WTF is that about. Anyway I didn't join the charity. So I wonder how others here feel, are you helping or hurting when you sign up for this program.
    So, you had to send away for the literature to figure this out? I would have bet most had that part down pat while watching the commercial.

    Anywho you are not feeding Jose to stay in his native land and make a dozen kids of his own... you are making him strong enough to come up here!

    Course one thing you might have overlooked is 2-3 of his siblings won't live to be old enough to reproduce.

    Now that you have been 'enlightened' to want to help a poor kid, will you in this country or are you going to claim you will be doing the same thing here... helping perpetuate a culture that needs to change...

    Your rational is the bedrock of those who refuse to give for the 'betterment' of society.

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Publishing pictures of starving kids and asking for money is just another form of exploitation. Sure, we'd like to help, but you have to ask yourself just how much of the money you donate actually gets to the hungry in the form of food that they can eat.

    Find me an organization that uses volunteers to distribute food to the hungry, that uses every dime it collects to buy food and send it to them (not to the guy living in the mansion on the hill) and I'll donate. Is there such an organization anywhere?
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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I won't send money over there for that. If I'm going to send charity, it's going to be for Americans.
    Ummm your hubris or ignorance is showing.... all of the 'New World' is American- North, Central, South. While few outside of the United States refer to themselves as Americans they are infact just that.

    You most likely meant Citizens of the United States, or here in this country...

    IF is a mighty big word, do you actually give to charity to feed hungry kids? Or just typing...

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ummm your hubris or ignorance is showing.... all of the 'New World' is American- North, Central, South. While few outside of the United States refer to themselves as Americans they are infact just that.

    You most likely meant Citizens of the United States, or here in this country...

    IF is a mighty big word, do you actually give to charity to feed hungry kids? Or just typing...
    It's not ignorance, but if you want to call it hubris, so be it.

    And yes, I do give to charity. I'll continue to do that, and you continue to be annoying on the internet. SSDD

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ummm your hubris or ignorance is showing.... all of the 'New World' is American- North, Central, South. While few outside of the United States refer to themselves as Americans they are infact just that.

    You most likely meant Citizens of the United States, or here in this country...

    IF is a mighty big word, do you actually give to charity to feed hungry kids? Or just typing...
    It appears that demorats like to use the "I gave at the office" (meaning that they paid taxes) instead of personally giving to private charity which is more the republicant kind of charity.

    Who's More Generous: Republicans or Democrats? - Clearwater, FL Patch

    Democrats Are More Generous Than Republicans, But With Other People's Money - Investors.com

    Dataset of the Day: Who is more Generous? Republicans or Democrats? | GeoIQ Blog

    For a real hoot look at this site. It considers the oppostie to be true but look at what they count as "giving" and "activism" - yep, supporting income redistribution via tax money.

    Liberal Dems Top Conservative Reps in Donations, Activism | Pew Research Center for the People and the Press
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Helping Jose

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So, you had to send away for the literature to figure this out? I would have bet most had that part down pat while watching the commercial.

    Anywho you are not feeding Jose to stay in his native land and make a dozen kids of his own... you are making him strong enough to come up here!

    Course one thing you might have overlooked is 2-3 of his siblings won't live to be old enough to reproduce.

    Now that you have been 'enlightened' to want to help a poor kid, will you in this country or are you going to claim you will be doing the same thing here... helping perpetuate a culture that needs to change...

    Your rational is the bedrock of those who refuse to give for the 'betterment' of society.
    Feel better? Sheeesh

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