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    Excluding defense from spending cuts

    "Newsmax" just came out with poll results saying "most say exclude defense" and it made me suspicious that newsmax might be propaganda like all the mainstream outlets are. Surely, there can't be that many of us left willing to buy into the terrorism scam, considering how much we've been scammed already. Bengah-zi is a clear indication that the money should stop.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    In past polls it has been back and forth but there is a clear sign that American's at least want to stop the increase on defense spending. Cutting development costs and a few other areas for a short period of time should not negatively effect the US military since it is the most developed in the world.
    Here are two such polls;
    What Kind of Defense Budget Would the American Public Make? | Spotlight | The Stimson Center | Pragmatic Steps for Global Security
    Americans still don’t want to cut any actual government programs
    and this study;
    Program for Public Consultation - Majority of Americans Willing to Make Defense Cuts
    Currently I see little reason not to cut the spending. The country should focus on strengthening it's economy, if it succeeds the country will have greater wealth which will also benefit weapon manufacturers in the long run. I suppose they would be the main opposition. I also don't foresee any great military threat to America or it's interests.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    All sides agree that the programs they don't care about must be reduced. Then it gets more difficult.

    Across-the-board spending cuts, while decried as "stupid" by virtually everyone (because virtually everyone has their own favorite thing to spend other people's money on), are actually the smartest thing in town. Do it any other way, and fnal decisions will be made accroding to political influence of advocates of particular programs, and not their actual relevance or value. Usually, there's no objective way to assesss these "relevance" and "value" anyway.

    As for the military spending ("defense" is one of those loaded words...), it accounts for almost a quarter of the budget. Whoever talks about fiscal discipline and then excludes the largest or second largest source of red ink simply isn't serious.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    All sides agree that the programs they don't care about must be reduced. Then it gets more difficult.

    Across-the-board spending cuts, while decried as "stupid" by virtually everyone (because virtually everyone has their own favorite thing to spend other people's money on), are actually the smartest thing in town. Do it any other way, and fnal decisions will be made accroding to political influence of advocates of particular programs, and not their actual relevance or value. Usually, there's no objective way to assesss these "relevance" and "value" anyway.

    As for the military spending ("defense" is one of those loaded words...), it accounts for almost a quarter of the budget. Whoever talks about fiscal discipline and then excludes the largest or second largest source of red ink simply isn't serious.
    It's not hard to instantly pick out the headlines that are propaganda. I think Newsmax is full of it. It just goes to show just how instrumental the media has been for them. They don't want to cut defense, so they have some of their news agencies report some bogus poll to make the individual think that everybody wants to cut spending, but to exclude defense. So that individual now has his opinion influenced by the idea that everybody else wants this so maybe that's best. Now here's where it really gets scandalous - if the news propaganda doesn't work, they go to the next level, which is "problem, reaction, solution".

    They will concoct some false flag type of operation so that we are attacked by either real or contrived enemies (because if they are not successful in provoking an enemy to attack, they will use the CIA + scapegoat). Then that will cause a stir in the people who now demand better security. The solution is more defense spending. Sound familiar? This is how our government operates. Be wary of the headlines. Go to independent/alternative news sources - as a favor to yourself and all americans.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    "Newsmax" just came out with poll results saying "most say exclude defense" and it made me suspicious that newsmax might be propaganda like all the mainstream outlets are.
    and then some.

    we should honor and expand our commitments to veterans, and we should bring the rest home. if the world wants a global police force, that is not free.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    No single program should be a sacred cow. They all have to be evaluated, and cut or expanded where needed. It would be very hard to convince me any need expanding, but there may be one or two.
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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    "Newsmax" just came out with poll results saying "most say exclude defense" and it made me suspicious that newsmax might be propaganda like all the mainstream outlets are. Surely, there can't be that many of us left willing to buy into the terrorism scam, considering how much we've been scammed already. Bengah-zi is a clear indication that the money should stop.
    Its not a scam, and I have no reason to beleive that most defense spending is useful and desireable. Im sure theres corruption and waste like anywhere else, but the bigger problem is that we simply dont need to be the worlds policeman. A military that focuses on defending the our actual borders should be enough. And that does not cost nearly as much as deploying troops around the world.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    NewsMax "might be"? NewsMax is to conservatives what moveon.org is to liberals.

    Lots of things weren't subject to "real" spending cuts. Medicare wasn't, and neither was the Washington Slush Fund - a.k.a. Social Security.

    They have a weird definition of "discretionary" in D.C.

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    "Newsmax" just came out with poll results saying "most say exclude defense" and it made me suspicious that newsmax might be propaganda like all the mainstream outlets are. Surely, there can't be that many of us left willing to buy into the terrorism scam, considering how much we've been scammed already. Bengah-zi is a clear indication that the money should stop.
    No, defense should not be excluded from cuts. There are lots of **** that we can cut. We can cut the expensive bio-fuels the navy buys.We can ban any drone programs that are used to spy on Americans. I am sure our government interferes in the affairs of other countries, that definitely should be cut. Over seas bases should be closed and I am sure there are all kinds of other useless **** or **** we should not be spending money on regarding defense.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Excluding defense from spending cuts

    The defense budget doesn't defend us.

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