View Poll Results: Which should take priority over the other?

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Thread: Rights in conflict

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    Rights in conflict

    Generally speaking, legal rights work in tandem. But sometimes they conflict, and one must take precedent over the other. For example, a child's right to free speech is superseded by her parent's right to raise her as they see fit. And the rights of life, liberty, and property should not be deprived by the right to free religion.

    What about the right to life vs. the right to bear arms? Weighed on a legal scale, which one must yield to the other when they are in conflict?
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Generally speaking, legal rights work in tandem. But sometimes they conflict, and one must take precedent over the other. For example, a child's right to free speech is superseded by her parent's right to raise her as they see fit. And the rights of life, liberty, and property should not be deprived by the right to free religion.

    What about the right to life vs. the right to bear arms? Weighed on a legal scale, which one must yield to the other when they are in conflict?
    Well if they came into conflict, it would depend on the scale I think. If a small infringement on the right to bear arms were to save 100 million people than the right to life would probably trump it. If you had to get rid of the right to bear arms completely to save one person, than the right to bear arms would trump the right to life of that person.

    Personally, I don't think there's any conflict between the two.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Personally, I don't think there's any conflict between the two.
    This. Unless you can come up with a real example of the two in conflict, your question kinda fails.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    What about the right to life vs. the right to bear arms? Weighed on a legal scale, which one must yield to the other when they are in conflict?
    There is no right to life, but a personal responsibility for the individual to preserve theirs, and the lives of their offspring. The right to keep and bear arms facilitates that responsibility.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    How about a "none of the above" option? Since there is no universal right to life and certainly no universal right to bear arms, it's an absurd question to begin with.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    There is no conflict.

    One person's exercise of his right to bear arms does not, in any way, infringe on anyone else's right to life.

    Nobody's right to life is violated or threatened until someone makes a specific choice to threaten or take that life—an action which is outside the scope of what is covered by the right to keep and bear arms.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Well, they can be in conflict when guns are used accidentally, like when small kids get their hands on them, or a bystander is shot. I think this issue is generally guilty of false dichotomy though, and the vast majority of homicide/suicide are not fully due to guns being legal. I tend to think they would get their hands on them anyway, or use some other means, rather than the deaths being avoided altogether.

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    People have argued one does not have a "right to life". Which is to say, others are not responsible for providing you with life. That is fairly accurate. What you do have a right to is not to be deprived of life without due process of law absent a present state of war (defined in Lockean terms).



    That being said, I fully support the conflation. If someone murders someone else with a gun, we should take away their ability to own firearms in the future.

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If someone murders someone else with a gun, we should take away their ability to own firearms in the future.
    The way to do that is to either put them to death or to keep them in prison indefinitely.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The way to do that is to either put them to death or to keep them in prison indefinitely.
    Why pay for prison indefinitely? Are you planning on getting free labor out of them at a net savings to the state?

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