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Thread: Rights in conflict

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Generally speaking, legal rights work in tandem. But sometimes they conflict, and one must take precedent over the other. For example, a child's right to free speech is superseded by her parent's right to raise her as they see fit. And the rights of life, liberty, and property should not be deprived by the right to free religion.

    What about the right to life vs. the right to bear arms? Weighed on a legal scale, which one must yield to the other when they are in conflict?
    I'm assuming that you are posting about these rights in the US. I don't see a point where they conflict. Could you give me a few possibilities as examples? And "the rights of life, liberty, and property should not be deprived by the right to free religion" are not in conflict that I see. In fact I find them in alignment. Where do you find a conflict?

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    There's no inherent conflict between the two.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Generally speaking, legal rights work in tandem. But sometimes they conflict, and one must take precedent over the other. For example, a child's right to free speech is superseded by her parent's right to raise her as they see fit. And the rights of life, liberty, and property should not be deprived by the right to free religion.

    What about the right to life vs. the right to bear arms? Weighed on a legal scale, which one must yield to the other when they are in conflict?
    The right for someone to live is not infringed by the right for someone else to own a firearm. Firearms are inanimate objects that are inherently (since they are pieces of lifeless metal/carbon steel/ polymer etc.) safe. They infringe on your right to live when SOMEONE picks up the weapon, actively LOADS the weapon and chambers a round/shell, and points it at you while actively DEPRESSING the trigger. The firearm is not at fault....it has no fault. It is the PERSON who actively pursued your destruction with that firearm who is at fault.

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    What about the right to life vs. the right to bear arms? Weighed on a legal scale, which one must yield to the other when they are in conflict?
    The right to life does not conflict with the right to bear arms. The bearing of arms does not take life, therefore there is no conflict.

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    A child's right to free speech cannot possibly conflict with a parent's right to teach their values to the child. If the parent is unwilling to take up an honest dialogue with the child then the parent is simply insincere in their efforts to teach their values to the child. The only way a child's right to free speech could ever conflict with "A parent's right to raise the child as they see fit" would be if what the parents meant by that is that they believe that the child is their slave to do with as they see fit, not a human being with rights, and they want to deprive the child of legally having a voice so that they can act in an inhuman manner in privacy.

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    The rights to life, liberty and property are never in conflict with freedom of religion.

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Why pay for prison indefinitely? Are you planning on getting free labor out of them at a net savings to the state?
    Well, they did kill someone in cold blood. Pretty much strips them of the ability to rejoin society, I would say.
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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Well, they did kill someone in cold blood. Pretty much strips them of the ability to rejoin society, I would say.
    ....I would tend (in many of the cases) to agree. So why, again, do we need to pay for prison indefinitely?

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    Re: Rights in conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....I would tend (in many of the cases) to agree. So why, again, do we need to pay for prison indefinitely?
    Because killing them is somehow "inhumane".
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