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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, and we all know that every kid listens to the advice of their grandmas
    Because the government will surely get them to listen.

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    I'm not an electrical nor an acoustics engineer, just a music and headphone geek that has picked up a little knowledge in my life, but something makes me suspect that you really can't limit headphone output to a level that would keep overall exposure below a certain SPL limit, I don't think you can make a circuit that smart. You would just have to do what is done now and keep output voltage below an arbitrary level that would guarantee most headphones being unable to render "loud" music.
    iIt would be a complicated circuit, but It coud be done. Two pblms I see are:

    1) the differing frew spectrums of music - a pblm you identified. But circuits could do a primitive spectrum analysis to see if there is a large amt of high freq sounds in the signal

    2) The efficiency of the speakers: Given a specific signal, two different speakers will output a different SPL. Any such circuit would need the ability to be adjusted (by the manufacturer) to compensate for the differences in speaker efficiency

    Once you've done that, all you need to do is put a limiter on the signal. That would prevent the signal from going over a specific peak. However, adding a spectrum analyzer and a limiter would be expensive. If done cheaply, they would color the sound, most probably make it sound worse. Good limiters cost hundreds of dollars.

    Plus, like I said, it's the crescendos that get you. You would have to have a limiter that constantly "squashed" the peaks in volume in the music (whacks on the snare drum, crashes of cymbals, etc.), resulting in a music listening experience where the player was constantly lowering and raising the volume, making the experience unpleasant.
    The peaks in volume generally last in the range of milliseconds making it impossible to "ride gain" in order to compensate for the limiters actions. In addition, in this case the limiter would be put "post-gain" so increasing gain would only make the limiter engage more often without any effect on the max level.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Because the government will surely get them to listen.
    The govt has run several public health pgms with great success
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The govt has run several public health pgms with great success
    I can think of one and in that area parents weren't doing jack. You?

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I can think of one and in that area parents weren't doing jack. You?
    Seat belts, helmets for motorcycles, drunk driving, tobacco use
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
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    Re: ear buds

    Ear buds are neither good nor bad. It depends on the user. I would imagine that most of the city workers who work in and under the streets of NYC experience enough sustained noise at 80dB or higher that probably the only way many of them can hear music is with a good set of ear buds. I'll guarantee you that at least 30% of the cops in NYC have hearing loss to the degree that it affects conversation.










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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    OOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh Boy !
    Are you ever an extremist.....I think a $100,000 fine and the loss of their precious noise makers should suffice...
    As much as I hate hearing other people's "music" I still would not allow regulation of the devices. I might be in favor of "quiet zones" around residential areas to keep the peace, but my 30 cal rifle with a muzzle brake is loud enough to ring your ears 50 feet or better away from it if you aren't wearing protection and I wouldn't want that to be limited either.

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Having different laws in every state for common products is getting way out of hand. Not only custom motor fuel blends, soda container sizes, headphones, radar detectors and who knows what things are illegal now or "CA ONLY" spec, like motorcycles, lawn equipment and cars. Seems as if you may soon travel out of state and get arrested for having an illegal toothbrush. Stop the madness! We will soon need national laws to require these weird state laws are posted at all state lines. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but laws of the ignorant are popping up everywhere!
    Good points, libertarian or no....
    Our governments can get carried away and the people's protests must be heard.

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Good thing we have the government to keep us safe from earbuds, baby formula and 7 year olds with Pop Tarts.
    A conditional "like".
    Sarcasm aside, On the baby formula, in the past, the sugar content has been too high...people MUST read labels and the info MUST be correct.
    Pop Tarts are bad enough when new,,,the expiration dates are coded and hard to find and read. Rather than business designing the standards, the consumers should do this...much reform is necessary in this area..
    As to earbuds , I don't know..
    As far as I am concerned the idiots can play their so-called music as loud as they wish; but, 50 years down the road, I will NOT pay for their hearing aids !

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