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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    SPL can't be measured by the output from the audio jack, as each speaker (headphone) will take the power given it and use it to create SPL that you perceive as music more efficiently or less efficiently depending on its design.

    Also, higher frequencies are more damaging to hearing than lower frequencies, so overall SPL isn't an ideal indicator of hearing loss potential. Inside a car you are exposed to a lot of low frequency sound, but that frequency range isn't nearly as damaging to hearing as the high pitched whine of a ricer motorcycle engine.

    Sorry, SPL = sound pressure level. db = decibel
    But a specific device manufacturer would know what the safe audio level would be for the headphones it includes with the device, right? Then, I would imagine most other headphones have relatively close frequency range. Just an educated guess.
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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    If you don't like secondhand smoke, stay outside or visit establishments that are smoke-free by choice of owner.
    That is just too damn hard! I mean really, they have to get up and leave? No, they want everyone else to bend their will, not doing what they feel is right for their own health and LEAVE.

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I prefer Bach and Beethoven, Mozart and Mendelssohn.
    The cresendos in classical music make it more dangerous to listen to than rock/pop music that has been compressed digitally to have a similar decibel level throughout the song. Sudden spikes in SPL (cymbals crashing, etc.) ultimately are what really get you.

    Here's an OSHA chart about exposure to SPL and what they recommend for maximum exposure per 8 hour work day:

    ear buds-fig1churchspl-jpg

    Here's one from the National Institute for Occupational Health and Safety:

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    109-dB peak sound pressure levels of a grand piano playing crescendos Soft to Loud: The Nature of Power and Dynamic Headroom

    ...you can see that NIOSH would want to limit exposure of the pianist to such SPL to less than 2 minutes per day. So too, if you want to play back classical music at concert levels, your overall exposure would reach occupational safe limits fairly quickly.
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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Ever hear of second hand smoke, Henrin ?
    And its society's problem, just ask a deaf man....
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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    But a specific device manufacturer would know what the safe audio level would be for the headphones it includes with the device, right? Then, I would imagine most other headphones have relatively close frequency range. Just an educated guess.
    I'm not an electrical nor an acoustics engineer, just a music and headphone geek that has picked up a little knowledge in my life, but something makes me suspect that you really can't limit headphone output to a level that would keep overall exposure below a certain SPL limit, I don't think you can make a circuit that smart. You would just have to do what is done now and keep output voltage below an arbitrary level that would guarantee most headphones being unable to render "loud" music.

    Plus, like I said, it's the crescendos that get you. You would have to have a limiter that constantly "squashed" the peaks in volume in the music (whacks on the snare drum, crashes of cymbals, etc.), resulting in a music listening experience where the player was constantly lowering and raising the volume, making the experience unpleasant.
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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is just too damn hard! I mean really, they have to get up and leave? No, they want everyone else to bend their will, not doing what they feel is right for their own health and LEAVE.
    "Yes, I'm the manager. Can I help you?"

    "This place is noisy and kids are everywhere, screaming at the top of their lungs, and the music is loud. My family came to enjoy a nice, quiet evening."

    "I'm sorry, sir, but why did you decide to eat dinner at Chuck E. Cheese then?"

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Bloomberg is gping on another crusade to get rid of ear buds in nyc.Cranked-Up Earbuds Next On Mayor Bloomberg’s Health Hit List CBS New York
    Holy sheep sh*t batman, next thing you know we will not be able to walk around with out shirts untucked and we're going to be told how to properly wipe our asses.

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Excellent use of the taxpayer money.

    Because their mothers/grandmothers didn't already tell them this at some point in their life.

    For every person who "jokes" about going deaf listening to loud music....... guess what.... they are already "aware"
    Yes, and we all know that every kid listens to the advice of their grandmas
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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    No "like" from me.....at least we have a man who cares about people.....maybe too much???....better than too little...
    I will absolutely never understand why the left even gives a f*ck. It is none of your d*mn business what music I like to hear and what car I like to drive, or how much sugar I like to put into my coffee, much less what ear buds I like to wear. Why must the left incessantly pursue their agenda to meddle in others business. The left needs to keep their nose in their own book, and they need to stop trying to protect people from themselves.

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    Re: ear buds

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Okay, so I just read that it is being funded by some grant from the "Fund for Public Health" which allegedly raises funds through non-tax dollars.

    But, regardless....... I think a grant from the "Fund for Public Health" could be better used on some other important topic.
    I would not be surprised to learn that Bloomberg is the Funds' larget donor
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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