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Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

Would you rather live in another country?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 19.0%
  • No

    Votes: 40 63.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 17.5%

  • Total voters
    63
Good evening, Polgara. The trick is to wait until you're fully retired. No one turns away self-supporting pensioners who add to the economy and don't compete for jobs.:cool:

Good evening, Jack

Good point! :yes: And there is always a need for unpaid volunteers to help wherever needed, too.
 
It looks like some rich libertarians are creating their own "utopia":

Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

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Strongly consider expatriating to Brazil when I was sitting high on my share of my father's estate. Also considered Iceland, but just couldn't get past their gun laws; that was frustrating, on account of them getting so much else right.
 
I'd rather all those wannabe Eurosocialists who want to transform our nation into another Greece MOVE OUT
 
I plan to settle in Kenya after teaching HS in the US for a few years (to give back to my country before I migrate).

There is a wonderful village on the wet side of the mountain that will make a great place for a botanical garden, organic demonstration gardens and cash crops (tea and coffee) and perhaps a satallite demonstration farm with classrooms for an organic agriculture college I am affiliated with. It has great people, a real sense of community and it is very peaceful. The cash crop brings plenty of cash with little labor, so the villagers are really the bougies of Kenya, with 1-4 acres per family and all the kids going to HS and even college.

I believe in a neo-exodus of the developed world educated to the developing world, to reverse the brain drain and finally own (thus be able to fix) poverty.

I want to lobby for and represent organic tea production to secure the watershed for those below. The village is at the 'top' (adjacent to the national forest), the first to get water from the mountain streams and artesian springs.
 
It isn't easy giving up your family and friends, the way of life that doesn't mean politics but the local places and traditions. There are folks who can't live in another region of this country much less a nation that doesn't speak 'American'.

But millions of people do just that- coming here! give it all up and risk everything in a land where the customs are sooo different and the language not their own.

I have been around the world, lived many places til I settled down here in Oklahoma. Some were true armpits, some pretty nice, but none are where I'd want to settle down in. liked parts of some of the nicer places but not enough to 'flee' this country.

While reading the rest of the thread-

Given what many are complaining about here I don't see where the nation's mentioned are 'better', certainly not on the 2nd A, for profit healthcare, taxes, trial rights.... Fleeing to the 3rd world makes me smile, go to where murder and gangs makes Detroit look like Disneyland and the ex-pat will have less rights and always look like a target for kidnapping or just payback- we tend to forget this country's meddling south of the Rio- they don't. But to each their own.

Now some of we in this nation love to boast of how tough 'we' are, WWI and WWII, the Cold War, policemen odf the world, most powerful military.... yadda yadda yadda...

So it always amazing to me to hear the 'lets run away' crowd lament the way the country is going. Something must be done- but not me or my family. :roll:

I'm for staying, things maynot be going 100% the way I'd like but having been around the world I'd just as soon stay here. I live in Oklahoma where droughts and tornadoes come with the scenery, maybe that combined with seeing the world the way few tourists do has me thinking staying here and at least trying to work for what I want doesn't overwhelm me.

Maybe what we need to for the fainter of heart to leave, better 10 stout hearted than 100 ready to bolt at the first round coming back at us... :peace

I can't say I disagree, but I'm not one to just 'stand and take it' but also I'm not liking the alternatives either. At some point, one draws that line in the sand, and I have drawn mine.

There is a huge difference between contributing to the societal pool for betterment of man, and there is being held to slavery to support others who won't contribute to that societal pool. Note 'won't' versus 'can't'. We are reaching that fuzzy line rather quickly, where contributions to society are crossing over to detriment of one's own support, and I watch in anger as some gleefully proclaim it as their just due.

Given the opportunity, I gladly give of my earnings and self to those who need help, yet the powers that be declare it is not enough and I am forced to give more under threat of penalty or imprisonment. Is that a society where people can flourish? Is that a society where one wants to live and raise families?

I can't answer for others, but when I reach that line, I will make the decision to fight or flee.

(good post, btw)
 
It's not change as such that bothers me. It's the kind of change that's taking place. My family and I are making concrete plans to leave in the next 5 years.
 
Yes, I would rather live in another country. The only problem being that I cannot find one sufficiently to my liking and/or one that is willing to take former Americans at this time. I see no future in this country for people like me that does not include Revolution and/or Death.
 
I like the USA in many ways. I have been happy here, but then again, I was happy in Vietnam and that was a war zone. It is the future for my progeny that I really worry about. I don't like or approve of our present "Corporatism" type gov't. I perceive this to have started around 1900 and continues to this day. The Corporations have more and more power and control and the aims of Corporations, specifically profits without responsibility, are ruining the planet. We are experiencing Global problems and moving to another location is not the cure. I would love to participate in a Green worldwide initiative of total renewable energy and an attitude of social and environmental responsibility. I do not see any such initiatives on the horizon, but fear that when they do appear it will be too late.
 
I see no future in this country for people like me that does not include Revolution and/or Death.

Everyone's future in this country includes death or even "Death" I suppose. Are you under the impression that moving to another country will allow you to avoid death? You think the Grim Reaper can't find you there?
 
Everyone's future in this country includes death or even "Death" I suppose. Are you under the impression that moving to another country will allow you to avoid death? You think the Grim Reaper can't find you there?

I am under the belief that if I stay here my death will be quite premature. Even more premature than the medical systems in countries I would prefer would probably make it.
 
Yes, I would rather live in another country. The only problem being that I cannot find one sufficiently to my liking and/or one that is willing to take former Americans at this time. I see no future in this country for people like me that does not include Revolution and/or Death.

The Pashtun region of Pakistan as well as Afghanistan seems to have the cultural values most in alignment with yours.
 
Many things are changing in the United States, and many things have remained the same (war, for example). Gun policies are changing, health care is changing drastically, economy is in the dumps, etc etc. I am not deeming any of these issues negative or positive because to each, his own. I am simply curious to see how many Americans are either satisfied and want to continue living here, or are unsettled and wish to leave.

Vote and discuss.

I'm just curious as to whether you think there were ever any times that WEREN'T changing?

As to other countries, though, there are several that would be just fine with me with New Zealand probably heading the list, but I see no particular need to move.
 
No, but I wish I could move to a state with legalized medical marijuanna.
 
Good luck with all those, you either need to have to be skilled in something they predict to have a shortage of or have a lot of money.
Uruguay and Israel have the easiest immigration policy.

Those are about it, unless you're retiring/retired, then you can get easy retirement residency, in some places.

Which angers me, because the U.S. is a joke to get in to. You can just sneak across the border.
 
New Zealand seems a good place to live.
 
Many things are changing in the United States, and many things have remained the same (war, for example). Gun policies are changing, health care is changing drastically, economy is in the dumps, etc etc. I am not deeming any of these issues negative or positive because to each, his own. I am simply curious to see how many Americans are either satisfied and want to continue living here, or are unsettled and wish to leave.

Vote and discuss.

I live in the greatest country on earth, why would I want to leave?
 
I'm just curious as to whether you think there were ever any times that WEREN'T changing?

As to other countries, though, there are several that would be just fine with me with New Zealand probably heading the list, but I see no particular need to move.

By changing times I am referring to the war that will never end, a failing economy, rising unemployment rates, cities going bankrupt (Detroit), huge government debt, new healthcare system, new gun policies, ominous gathering of military vehicles and weaponry, drones flying around, patriot act, etc, etc. These things worry me.
 
I live in the greatest country on earth, why would I want to leave?

This is American pride at its finest, and I'm all about being a patriot, but America is far from the greatest country on earth.
 
Nope.

And what country are you going to move to? If you're an economic conservative, good luck with that.

Though, if I had to. I'd move to Canada, no culture shock to worry about. I hear Toronto is nice.
 
This is American pride at its finest, and I'm all about being a patriot, but America is far from the greatest country on earth.

I disagree. No other country on the planet has access to our combination of wealth and power, it is what has given us an unprecedented position on the globe. We are the greatest country on the planet. There are more metrics in the world than whether or not Sweden has a higher high school math aptitude rate.
 
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