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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Good evening, Polgara. The trick is to wait until you're fully retired. No one turns away self-supporting pensioners who add to the economy and don't compete for jobs.
    Good evening, Jack

    Good point! And there is always a need for unpaid volunteers to help wherever needed, too.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Good evening pg. I have no intention of moving any farther north...
    Me too. Risky won't go where palm trees don't grow.










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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, Jack

    Good point! And there is always a need for unpaid volunteers to help wherever needed, too.
    Yup. I'm a quality control volunteer at several vineyards.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yup. I'm a quality control volunteer at several vineyards.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    It looks like some rich libertarians are creating their own "utopia":

    Silicon Valley billionaire funding creation of artificial libertarian islands | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Strongly consider expatriating to Brazil when I was sitting high on my share of my father's estate. Also considered Iceland, but just couldn't get past their gun laws; that was frustrating, on account of them getting so much else right.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    I'd rather all those wannabe Eurosocialists who want to transform our nation into another Greece MOVE OUT



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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    I plan to settle in Kenya after teaching HS in the US for a few years (to give back to my country before I migrate).

    There is a wonderful village on the wet side of the mountain that will make a great place for a botanical garden, organic demonstration gardens and cash crops (tea and coffee) and perhaps a satallite demonstration farm with classrooms for an organic agriculture college I am affiliated with. It has great people, a real sense of community and it is very peaceful. The cash crop brings plenty of cash with little labor, so the villagers are really the bougies of Kenya, with 1-4 acres per family and all the kids going to HS and even college.

    I believe in a neo-exodus of the developed world educated to the developing world, to reverse the brain drain and finally own (thus be able to fix) poverty.

    I want to lobby for and represent organic tea production to secure the watershed for those below. The village is at the 'top' (adjacent to the national forest), the first to get water from the mountain streams and artesian springs.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It isn't easy giving up your family and friends, the way of life that doesn't mean politics but the local places and traditions. There are folks who can't live in another region of this country much less a nation that doesn't speak 'American'.

    But millions of people do just that- coming here! give it all up and risk everything in a land where the customs are sooo different and the language not their own.

    I have been around the world, lived many places til I settled down here in Oklahoma. Some were true armpits, some pretty nice, but none are where I'd want to settle down in. liked parts of some of the nicer places but not enough to 'flee' this country.

    While reading the rest of the thread-

    Given what many are complaining about here I don't see where the nation's mentioned are 'better', certainly not on the 2nd A, for profit healthcare, taxes, trial rights.... Fleeing to the 3rd world makes me smile, go to where murder and gangs makes Detroit look like Disneyland and the ex-pat will have less rights and always look like a target for kidnapping or just payback- we tend to forget this country's meddling south of the Rio- they don't. But to each their own.

    Now some of we in this nation love to boast of how tough 'we' are, WWI and WWII, the Cold War, policemen odf the world, most powerful military.... yadda yadda yadda...

    So it always amazing to me to hear the 'lets run away' crowd lament the way the country is going. Something must be done- but not me or my family.

    I'm for staying, things maynot be going 100% the way I'd like but having been around the world I'd just as soon stay here. I live in Oklahoma where droughts and tornadoes come with the scenery, maybe that combined with seeing the world the way few tourists do has me thinking staying here and at least trying to work for what I want doesn't overwhelm me.

    Maybe what we need to for the fainter of heart to leave, better 10 stout hearted than 100 ready to bolt at the first round coming back at us...
    I can't say I disagree, but I'm not one to just 'stand and take it' but also I'm not liking the alternatives either. At some point, one draws that line in the sand, and I have drawn mine.

    There is a huge difference between contributing to the societal pool for betterment of man, and there is being held to slavery to support others who won't contribute to that societal pool. Note 'won't' versus 'can't'. We are reaching that fuzzy line rather quickly, where contributions to society are crossing over to detriment of one's own support, and I watch in anger as some gleefully proclaim it as their just due.

    Given the opportunity, I gladly give of my earnings and self to those who need help, yet the powers that be declare it is not enough and I am forced to give more under threat of penalty or imprisonment. Is that a society where people can flourish? Is that a society where one wants to live and raise families?

    I can't answer for others, but when I reach that line, I will make the decision to fight or flee.

    (good post, btw)
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    It's not change as such that bothers me. It's the kind of change that's taking place. My family and I are making concrete plans to leave in the next 5 years.

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