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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Nope, love it here.

    Could probably get along alright in Canada though.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    I live in Germany with my wife, but that's mostly because of her. Don't get me wrong, I really, really like it here, but if it were soley up to me, we'd either be in Texas, Colorado, Washington state, or Switzerland. I'm starting to miss the technological progressiveness of the US. There are so many things I try to get my hands on that I can't because it's just a US thing.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Notice that in my Mildly offensive post that I did not go on about America perhaps being set above any other nation. I did not go on about resentment and rivalry. I put a passionate emphases on affection of the country of my birth. Clearly I was espousing patriotism. I also though believe that the US Constitution is relevant.

    Of course I respect that your opinions on this subject may differ which is your liberty. But I have the same liberty to be confidant in my convictions. It all really comes down to whether one wants to keep up the good fight or move on. I will choose the good fight regardless of what political group stands in the way of what the people actually want within our borders. As long as our Constitution maintains its power (Ill skip the obvious details needed here to explain what that means for sake of space) and that no faction gains absolute power then I will be on this Governments side. But if I leave the country I have given in to those pressures that everyone seems concerned about. And this country is too big to get away from if those pressures become unchecked. Leaving will only lead to your own destruction.
    To me, I always put my family first. If there were an opportunity to go to a better place, I'd go (legally of course). I love this country, and I want things to improve, it's just hard not to feel so small and insignificant : / Thank you for respecting my opinions, as I will respect yours.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I don't know what other countries are like in that respect. Here it's not just the government, it's the media. Fear and outrage makes headlines, always has, always will. The good news is that, now, you're not stuck listening to it just to get the sports scores and weather. I see the Internet as The Great Equalizer where formerly hard to get facts are published. IMO, knowledge is the best weapon against fear.

    I love internet media. It's where you can find either a lot of truth, or a lot of bull. I sift through it regularly.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    MEh, I can see pros and cons.

    If I lived somewhere else I wouldn't feel a personal connection to the country in the way I do America... making following it's rules/etc. a lot more bearable, because it's not my country... it's not the country I consider home.

    In fact, i like the differences in countries. I think they should all fulfill their own niche, reflecting the good parts of their culture.
    Part of the reason why I want America to stay in the image of the founding fathers with liberty and freedom.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Many things are changing in the United States, and many things have remained the same (war, for example). Gun policies are changing, health care is changing drastically, economy is in the dumps, etc etc. I am not deeming any of these issues negative or positive because to each, his own. I am simply curious to see how many Americans are either satisfied and want to continue living here, or are unsettled and wish to leave.

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    We've been through worse times. I can't see myself making a permanent change of address to another country.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I want a safe place to start a family with a good education system, low religious population, progressive civil rights, low crime rate, stable economy. I hope this is precise enough. I know not all places can have the best of everything, but I like the idea of finding some place which comes close.
    Just got back home. Well stated answer. Places like west Michigan are not for you (where Hilland of the 1800s has been preserved). Maybe more later.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    No. I felt comfortable in Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, UK, Denmark, Poland, Estonia - and could probably live in any of these countries, no problem. But America is just more fun - more stuff happening, more things to do.
    Really? One of the things that's been tough to get used to since I've been back is how LITTLE there is going on at street level.

    It was so easy to get wrapped up in adventure in places were cities are more compact and subcultures are more readily visible. But here? Even the cities feel like wastelands sometimes. They're just so sprawling, and there's no street culture pretty much anywhere.

    You have to dig for it, but with how much more you have to work to live, who has time for that?

    Having fun in the States feels like a force of effort sometimes. In a lot of those countries you list, it just came naturally for me.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Really? One of the things that's been tough to get used to since I've been back is how LITTLE there is going on at street level.

    It was so easy to get wrapped up in adventure in places were cities are more compact and subcultures are more readily visible. But here? Even the cities feel like wastelands sometimes. They're just so sprawling, and there's no street culture pretty much anywhere.

    You have to dig for it, but with how much more you have to work to live, who has time for that?

    Having fun in the States feels like a force of effort sometimes. In a lot of those countries you list, it just came naturally for me.
    By "fun" I don't mean, like, nightlife. Business and science are by far more dynamic here. The quality of intellectual discourse and cultural development is also actually higher - although you do have to "dig for it".

    As for the "street culture" - it depends on the place, I guess. Nothing seems to be wrong with Boston, New York or Seattle (three cities I am most familiar with).

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I can't say I disagree, but I'm not one to just 'stand and take it' but also I'm not liking the alternatives either. At some point, one draws that line in the sand, and I have drawn mine.

    There is a huge difference between contributing to the societal pool for betterment of man, and there is being held to slavery to support others who won't contribute to that societal pool. Note 'won't' versus 'can't'. We are reaching that fuzzy line rather quickly, where contributions to society are crossing over to detriment of one's own support, and I watch in anger as some gleefully proclaim it as their just due.

    Given the opportunity, I gladly give of my earnings and self to those who need help, yet the powers that be declare it is not enough and I am forced to give more under threat of penalty or imprisonment. Is that a society where people can flourish? Is that a society where one wants to live and raise families?

    I can't answer for others, but when I reach that line, I will make the decision to fight or flee.

    (good post, btw)
    When will you reach 'that line'? seems to me the being forced to support those who 'wont', around 10% of the population, has been around for a lifetime. Are you including corporations that don't pay taxes as well?

    So let's review the options, stay and 'fight' to make those who are poor pay more, force corporations to pony up more (and threaten to leave like you are) OR you leave this country for another with LESS rights and/or MORE taxes.

    If you flee to Europe you will be forced to contribute (to your detriment as any money out of your pocket is a detriment) at a far larger scale- you will learn what VAT means but good.

    Flee to the third world and you will have little say in anything unless you can bribe officials to look the other way, and hire enough security to keep the bandits off you... not even Joko's 50 round drum will save you down there...

    I understand the every man for himself mindset, but it is WE the people, not ME the people...

    I see voluntary contributions to the poor about the same way I see voluntary contributions to national defense...

    We'd be speaking Russian right about now...

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