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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    There isn't really anywhere else to go that doesn't bring with it its own set of troubles, in many cases a lot worse than anything currently going on in the US. We need to make a stand here... if the US falls into something ugly, the rest of the world is likely to be in big trouble also.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Now, you should no full well that it isn't the size of an army that counts, L.A.

    It's the motion.
    Well, err, I forgot.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    I would rather continue living here, but they aren't making it an easy choice.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I fear the government is becoming too powerful, to intrusive. September 11 changed a lot of things. It started a war which can never truly be won, drained trillions of dollars in the past decade, made it possible for the patriot act to be accepted by the public, etc etc.
    But personal privacy was already being taken away long before that as a means of fighting crime, first "organized" crime then the drug lords. Don't kid yourself, 9/11 was just the last excuse for more intrusion. It's been happening, slowly but surely, for decades and it'll take decades to get us back out. We have to get rid of our fear, first. Your starting this thread is an obvious sign that it's not happening soon.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Thanks for the passionate response. Mildly offensive, but I guess thats patriotism.
    Is there something wrong with patriotism?

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    But personal privacy was already being taken away long before that as a means of fighting crime, first "organized" crime then the drug lords. Don't kid yourself, 9/11 was just the last excuse for more intrusion. It's been happening, slowly but surely, for decades and it'll take decades to get us back out. We have to get rid of our fear, first. Your starting this thread is an obvious sign that it's not happening soon.
    The government knows it benefits from the people being fearful. It gives them power. I understand we need to get rid of the fear, which is why I had the thought of moving to a country where I didn't have the fear. Other than that, I guess you're right, its a time thing.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Is there something wrong with patriotism?
    No not at all, as long as it is not Nationalism, which can be dangerous.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    The government knows it benefits from the people being fearful. It gives them power. I understand we need to get rid of the fear, which is why I had the thought of moving to a country where I didn't have the fear. Other than that, I guess you're right, its a time thing.
    I don't know what other countries are like in that respect. Here it's not just the government, it's the media. Fear and outrage makes headlines, always has, always will. The good news is that, now, you're not stuck listening to it just to get the sports scores and weather. I see the Internet as The Great Equalizer where formerly hard to get facts are published. IMO, knowledge is the best weapon against fear.
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    No not at all, as long as it is not Nationalism, which can be dangerous.
    Notice that in my Mildly offensive post that I did not go on about America perhaps being set above any other nation. I did not go on about resentment and rivalry. I put a passionate emphases on affection of the country of my birth. Clearly I was espousing patriotism. I also though believe that the US Constitution is relevant.

    Of course I respect that your opinions on this subject may differ which is your liberty. But I have the same liberty to be confidant in my convictions. It all really comes down to whether one wants to keep up the good fight or move on. I will choose the good fight regardless of what political group stands in the way of what the people actually want within our borders. As long as our Constitution maintains its power (Ill skip the obvious details needed here to explain what that means for sake of space) and that no faction gains absolute power then I will be on this Governments side. But if I leave the country I have given in to those pressures that everyone seems concerned about. And this country is too big to get away from if those pressures become unchecked. Leaving will only lead to your own destruction.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Which angers me, because the U.S. is a joke to get in to. You can just sneak across the border.
    Getting in the U.S. legally is a bitch.
    But most other countries have that same problem too.
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