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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Maybe we should be more "picky" about immigration.....or maybe not...
    These nations with strict immigraton laws could also be, in this area anyway, police states...
    Or they do NOT have the allure of our nation..
    As to illiteracy...check out Craigs List.
    It more like 90% at best..
    Maybe no one asks the "illegals "??
    We should be picky about immigration... why shouldn't we? Especially now with so many out of the job. Do we just want more unemployed collecting benefits?

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    None of those things happened overnight. The shortest was the 2008 Crash and it took three years to take full effect. Afghanistan has been just over a decade. Everything else has taken decades to get to where they are now - and it's going to take decades to get them back where they belong. You have to take it one step at a time and pass on your views of change to the following generations with hopes they'll have better lives.
    I fear the government is becoming too powerful, to intrusive. September 11 changed a lot of things. It started a war which can never truly be won, drained trillions of dollars in the past decade, made it possible for the patriot act to be accepted by the public, etc etc.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    I don't agree with every policy of the US gov, nor do I support all the recent cultural changes but living in another place would probably not be easy.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Indeed. I have seen the palm trees in both countries many times. I thought about both countries when I wrote the post. I'd live in Ireland tomorrow. Cork or there abouts for me, but my wife loves dirty old Dublin. I'd settle for either or anywhere in Eire save for Limerick, which ironically is where my family is from.
    Next time you visit Eire, check out the village of Kinsale
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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Many things are changing in the United States, and many things have remained the same (war, for example). Gun policies are changing, health care is changing drastically, economy is in the dumps, etc etc. I am not deeming any of these issues negative or positive because to each, his own. I am simply curious to see how many Americans are either satisfied and want to continue living here, or are unsettled and wish to leave.

    Vote and discuss.
    Soon I will be retiring to Thailand. But it was the United States that made that retirement possible. Living in another country, being military I lived in many different countries, is one thing. Living in another country, certain countries to be sure it is an advantage to be an American citizen. Perhaps your question should have been would one rather live in another country and become a citizen of that country?

    I can think of several other countries I would rather live in right now. But none that I would want to become a citizen of.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    The U.S. is currently funneling billions of dollars into a never-ending war. We have poor relations with most of the middle east, save a shady relationship with Israel. We are always watching our backs to make sure Russia doesn't screw around, as are they watching us. The U.S. is not viewed with high regards by the world. We are always in the foreign spotlight while our domestic issues continue to decay.
    Our activities in Iraq and Afghanistan have nothing to do with Scandinavian fears about Russian encroachment and their required alignment with the United States and NATO. Whether you agree with our foreign policy agenda is not relevant to the point of whether or not those countries are deeply enmeshed in the US security sphere and that a shift out of it would necessitate great changes to defend their interests.

    Moreover we are the Hegemon, discontent is natural. It also ebbs and flows with each new Presidential election. The benefits of Democratic Empire. It also isn't that bad.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I have a very hard time believing this, but I am willing to do so if shown the information. Could you cite a credible source? I am in disbelief because of the millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico who live and work(illegally in most cases) who do not know how to speak english, let alone read it. Also, the number of kids who drop out and are illiterate, people who are severely impoverished and do not finish school, etc. I work in a setting where the patients have extremely low literacy. I'm unsure of how the 99% figure was achieved.



    Legal immigration is one thing, however, illegal immigration, which is rampant in the U.S., is another. As liberalavenger noted, you can't just walk into the aforementioned countries. They are selective. The U.S. is a country which deserves to be picky about immigrants, why are we not? Not on the basis of race of course.
    It is hard to believe, because we've had a narrative woven over the past few years that is incredibly misleading. Our literacy rate has been 98%-100% for at least half a century.
    Literacy - Country Comparison

    As for our immigration, it is in the end a tremendous boon for us. Regardless of our arguable need to increase border security, the boon we get from millions of new citizens, workers, thinkers, and innovators will serve as far better than the refugee ghetto's and slums that Sweden has managed to create for itself.

    I'm not worried about people coming in as long as we make a much better effort at assimilation.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It is hard to believe, because we've had a narrative woven over the past few years that is incredibly misleading. Our literacy rate has been 98%-100% for at least half a century.
    Literacy - Country Comparison

    As for our immigration, it is in the end a tremendous boon for us. Regardless of our arguable need to increase border security, the boon we get from millions of new citizens, workers, thinkers, and innovators will serve as far better than the refugee ghetto's and slums that Sweden has managed to create for itself.

    I'm not worried about people coming in as long as we make a much better effort at assimilation.
    I cross referenced that stat on literacy and you are correct, my apologies, and thank you. It's just hard to believe, that's all.

    I have to disagree with immigration. The immigration I am talking about is illegal immigration. There are about 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States as of 2008. 90% + are from Mexico, and do not speak any English. Without disrespect, I doubt they are doing the thinking and innovating in this country.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    As gottago said, I want to live in America, but the choice to stay is becoming increasingly difficult. You are right that the short list of successful countries do not have an open door policy, which is understandable but unfortunate. The nation is divided on most issues. I don't want to see any anarchy or revolutions. I live in the south, and people I know are SERIOUS about saying they will NOT give up their guns no matter what. I don't want to see Civil War II, right before I start my family. That's all I'm saying. I could be called paranoid I guess, but I'm trying to take precautions. I want what was afforded to my parents, and their parents before them.
    Wanting to give up isnt paranoid it seems a bit lazy and self satisfying to me. Do you think that your parents or your grandparents would have packed up and left the country just because of some political unrest? Why didnt they leave during the turbulent 60's? I mean it was much easier to relocate to another country back then.

    Of course it is your liberty to through in the towel but no one has to respect you for it. In fact if you are more concerned with your individual interests I would rather that you go now so that later we dont need to deal with lackies like you. I really mean no offence but I am just stating reality. See I already have children of my own and there isnt no way that I could face them as a traitor of my country. I dont care about who thinks what other country is better or worse than America, because this is my home and I will not give it up just because some fear mongering people on the internet are naive enough to think that that the Constitution doesnt fit their expatiation's.

    For the people chanting revolution/civil war/uprising they are idiots plain and simple. They spend too much time on the internet or listening to personalities garner ratings. As soon as those idiots shoot their first bits of ammo or blow up the next Federal building in the vain of McVeigh they will have lost not only their fight against the Government but also the any support they thought they had by the people. They are nothing but romantics courting a fantasy, dangerous yes but a minority non the less. People will talk **** but they will not do anything because what are they going to do? Go shoot the president, blow up a building? Seriously they are nothing but a bunch of militia wannabes and occupiers. The rest of us sane voters will continue the good fight because we are not a bunch of conspiracy new world order nuts believing the latest BS feed to us by book writing money grabbing cons. .

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Wanting to give up isnt paranoid it seems a bit lazy and self satisfying to me. Do you think that your parents or your grandparents would have packed up and left the country just because of some political unrest? Why didnt they leave during the turbulent 60's? I mean it was much easier to relocate to another country back then.

    Of course it is your liberty to through in the towel but no one has to respect you for it. In fact if you are more concerned with your individual interests I would rather that you go now so that later we dont need to deal with lackies like you. I really mean no offence but I am just stating reality. See I already have children of my own and there isnt no way that I could face them as a traitor of my country. I dont care about who thinks what other country is better or worse than America, because this is my home and I will not give it up just because some fear mongering people on the internet are naive enough to think that that the Constitution doesnt fit their expatiation's.

    For the people chanting revolution/civil war/uprising they are idiots plain and simple. They spend too much time on the internet or listening to personalities garner ratings. As soon as those idiots shoot their first bits of ammo or blow up the next Federal building in the vain of McVeigh they will have lost not only their fight against the Government but also the any support they thought they had by the people. They are nothing but romantics courting a fantasy, dangerous yes but a minority non the less. People will talk **** but they will not do anything because what are they going to do? Go shoot the president, blow up a building? Seriously they are nothing but a bunch of militia wannabes and occupiers. The rest of us sane voters will continue the good fight because we are not a bunch of conspiracy new world order nuts believing the latest BS feed to us by book writing money grabbing cons. .
    Thanks for the passionate response. Mildly offensive, but I guess thats patriotism.

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