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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Unless Russia or Germany decided to invade them, they'd be ok. Germany is in a great state right now, Russia...meh, not so sure. But either way I'd take my chances if the U.S. got to a point where it was intolerable to stay and no change could be brought about by the people due to the government being too powerful.
    It isn't all that unlikely. The Scandinavian countries have been marked by an acute fear that their claims to arctic territory, and their coastal peripheries will be eroded by aggressive Russian activities. Norway in particular has begun to realize the impossibility of defending its lucrative arctic claims against any other power and is relying upon Canadian and American diplomatic and military support to prevent a defacto Russian hegemony over their claimed territory. Moreover Finland has maintained an extreme high readiness military due to its fears over it's Russian neighbors and has played a delicate balancing act maintaining ties to NATO and the US over its fears of Russian retaliation in a variety of possible forms.

    They wouldn't collapse without the US military umbrella, but they would see a radical shift in prescriptions for governance and foreign policy.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Look at Rosa Parks.
    She has been dead since 2005 so no, thank you.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I have honestly never visited any of those countries. I have friends who live in Switzerland. Other than that, I'm basing my preferences on statistics and satisfaction rates among their populations.

    And let me say this; I would like to stay here, but I feel I am powerless and the government is too powerful. There are many issues I have trouble accepting and I feel I cannot change them.
    The people of those countries are (in general) less powerful than the people of the US. And the culture is far more monotonic. But, measured in the way you are using, their stats show up great. So what is it that you want more precisely stated?

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Literacy: Norway comes in tied at the front at approximately 99.9-100%. The United States lags in the 26th spot at... 99%+.
    I have a very hard time believing this, but I am willing to do so if shown the information. Could you cite a credible source? I am in disbelief because of the millions of illegal immigrants from Mexico who live and work(illegally in most cases) who do not know how to speak english, let alone read it. Also, the number of kids who drop out and are illiterate, people who are severely impoverished and do not finish school, etc. I work in a setting where the patients have extremely low literacy. I'm unsure of how the 99% figure was achieved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Also what do we have that most of these countries don't? Immigrants. Millions and millions of them. Sure Sweden and Norway take in their share of asylum seekers, and they have done an abysmal job of integrating them. You want to see racism against minorities? Go to Malmo, go to the outskirts of Oslo. We aren't stagnating, we have new human capital, and we also happily accept the statistical skewing that results from that.
    Legal immigration is one thing, however, illegal immigration, which is rampant in the U.S., is another. As liberalavenger noted, you can't just walk into the aforementioned countries. They are selective. The U.S. is a country which deserves to be picky about immigrants, why are we not? Not on the basis of race of course.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Palm trees may be seen along the south coasts of Ireland and England



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    Indeed. I have seen the palm trees in both countries many times. I thought about both countries when I wrote the post. I'd live in Ireland tomorrow. Cork or there abouts for me, but my wife loves dirty old Dublin. I'd settle for either or anywhere in Eire save for Limerick, which ironically is where my family is from.










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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Be the change.
    I like the enthusiasm, but how do you propose I change the economic meltdown we are in? How do you supposed I change the election process, the policy making process, end the war, get us out of debt, create hundreds of thousands of jobs, improve the education system, etc? Do you suppose I lobby? Call my congressman? I have done both, to no avail, as many others have.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I like the enthusiasm, but how do you propose I change the economic meltdown we are in? How do you supposed I change the election process, the policy making process, end the war, get us out of debt, create hundreds of thousands of jobs, improve the education system, etc? Do you suppose I lobby? Call my congressman? I have done both, to no avail, as many others have.
    I dunno how it will be for you, but I feel that my life addresses all of those issues in demonstration and not just words.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    It isn't all that unlikely. The Scandinavian countries have been marked by an acute fear that their claims to arctic territory, and their coastal peripheries will be eroded by aggressive Russian activities. Norway in particular has begun to realize the impossibility of defending its lucrative arctic claims against any other power and is relying upon Canadian and American diplomatic and military support to prevent a defacto Russian hegemony over their claimed territory. Moreover Finland has maintained an extreme high readiness military due to its fears over it's Russian neighbors and has played a delicate balancing act maintaining ties to NATO and the US over its fears of Russian retaliation in a variety of possible forms.

    They wouldn't collapse without the US military umbrella, but they would see a radical shift in prescriptions for governance and foreign policy.
    The U.S. is currently funneling billions of dollars into a never-ending war. We have poor relations with most of the middle east, save a shady relationship with Israel. We are always watching our backs to make sure Russia doesn't screw around, as are they watching us. The U.S. is not viewed with high regards by the world. We are always in the foreign spotlight while our domestic issues continue to decay.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Ya, it is tough. I just don't want to be here if **** really hits the fan... I've read a lot about people proposing to abolish the current government, because it has become too powerful, as the constitution says to do. People are talking about "Civil War II" and I really don't want my family here if it comes to that.
    Where in our constitution does it avocate rebellion if the federal government becomes too "powerful" ?

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by 274ina View Post
    You cant get out of this dump anyway. Minimun amount to buy your way out is about $500k. And for the idiots with a USA only mind set. Other counties DONT ALLOW FOREIGNERS to WORK AT ALL. Other countries dont allow ANYONE in at all. Except retireees and others with MONEY. Only the US Citizen gets screwed by its own Gov this way.
    The USofA is a honey trap!

    To think all those ignorant Europeans who were tricked by a slogan... America, Land of Opportunity! The smucks! If they had only stayed in their native lands so their great grand kids wouldn't be trapped in so 'terrible' a nation....

    Seriously????

    Most who lament the one way door nations have with us also deride those nation's for their taxes, nanny state, lack of any Bill of Rights....

    When the slaves were freed there were some who wanted to send them all back to Africa.

    It might be time for a send them back to Europe movement....

    I'd say travel and see the world...then come back here and be VERY grateful your ancestors chose to leave all they knew behind for this country.

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