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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I often hear people refer to the greatness that is Andorra.
    Nice but not great. It has a puny army. If it was not for the us it would have been over run years ago.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Switzerland, Finland, Sweden are so great but they will not accept you becoming a citizen?
    Being selective is what makes them great.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    America is not even in the top 10 in standards for literacy, mathematics, science, and other academic categories. Our unemployment rate is high, our economy is failing. We still do not have equal civil rights for homosexuals, we have a large prison population and crime rate in many cities, the border is unsecured, our election process is a joke, etc, constitution is outdated and none of us have a say in it's revision, government is too powerful.

    The first country 3 countries which come to mind are: Switzerland, Finland, Sweden.

    All of these countries excel in educational standards, have solid economies, low crime rates, high satisfaction of citizens, and progressive civil rights. If you would like to know more about these countries, please feel free to google them.
    Weak militaries make them rely on the us for protection. How long would they last if we pulled out of nato?

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    So, how was Switzerland, Finland and Sweden realy when you visited for say just a week?[/SIZE]
    I have honestly never visited any of those countries. I have friends who live in Switzerland. Other than that, I'm basing my preferences on statistics and satisfaction rates among their populations.

    And let me say this; I would like to stay here, but I feel I am powerless and the government is too powerful. There are many issues I have trouble accepting and I feel I cannot change them.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Weak militaries make them rely on the us for protection. How long would they last if we pulled out of nato?
    Unless Russia or Germany decided to invade them, they'd be ok. Germany is in a great state right now, Russia...meh, not so sure. But either way I'd take my chances if the U.S. got to a point where it was intolerable to stay and no change could be brought about by the people due to the government being too powerful.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    I have honestly never visited any of those countries. I have friends who live in Switzerland. Other than that, I'm basing my preferences on statistics and satisfaction rates among their populations.

    And let me say this; I would like to stay here, but I feel I am powerless and the government is too powerful. There are many issues I have trouble accepting and I feel I cannot change them.
    Look at Rosa Parks.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Look at Rosa Parks.
    Ok, I see your point. However, besides civil rights issues, there are issues which cannot be fixed by refusing to move to the back of the bus.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    America is not even in the top 10 in standards for literacy, mathematics, science, and other academic categories. Our unemployment rate is high, our economy is failing. We still do not have equal civil rights for homosexuals, we have a large prison population and crime rate in many cities, the border is unsecured, our election process is a joke, etc, constitution is outdated and none of us have a say in it's revision, government is too powerful.

    The first country 3 countries which come to mind are: Switzerland, Finland, Sweden.

    All of these countries excel in educational standards, have solid economies, low crime rates, high satisfaction of citizens, and progressive civil rights. If you would like to know more about these countries, please feel free to google them.
    This kind of logic however is deceptive. Why are we not in the top 10? When people say that, or when they find out we are in the 18th or 32nd position it conjures up images of a degrading United States that has dismal scores. The reality is far from that. Let's look at a few of them shall we?

    Literacy: Norway comes in tied at the front at approximately 99.9-100%. The United States lags in the 26th spot at... 99%+.

    Math and Reading: Findland and South Korea top the charts here, the United States lags in a dismal 25th place... which is the top of the upper quartile alongside Iceland and Austria.

    I could go on, the point being that we fall relatively low because the top tiers are so damn high. If you have a literacy rate of 99.5% you will be out of the top 15 hands down. We are doing just fine.

    Moreover I actually think our respect and valuation for civil rights far exceeds those countries except perhaps Switzerland. Norway and Sweden both have brutal hate speech laws which severely restrict freedom of speech, something we would not think of countenancing in the US. Moreover the economic health of the US is far better than that of most of the Scandinavian countries, our growth rates are much higher, moreover our real unemployment rate is lower (We do not count people on paid state unemployment/disability as employed), and quite frankly we aren't Norway we do not have less people than Alabama and more petroleum, tin, timber, and rare earths than god.

    Also what do we have that most of these countries don't? Immigrants. Millions and millions of them. Sure Sweden and Norway take in their share of asylum seekers, and they have done an abysmal job of integrating them. You want to see racism against minorities? Go to Malmo, go to the outskirts of Oslo. We aren't stagnating, we have new human capital, and we also happily accept the statistical skewing that results from that.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Ok, I see your point. However, besides civil rights issues, there are issues which cannot be fixed by refusing to move to the back of the bus.
    Be the change.

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    Re: Given the changing times, would you rather live in another country?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Nice but not great. It has a puny army.
    Now, you should no full well that it isn't the size of an army that counts, L.A.

    It's the motion.
    "you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos

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