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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No. The bombing is immoral. Regardless of your goal, the act is not changed. It may be necessary in order to accomplish what you intend, but to say it's moral is not logical.
    That is incorrect. Given that the good you seek to do can be greater than the unwanted evil you accomplish, the act itself remains moral.

    As an extreme example to demonstrate the rule, if a terrorist utilizes 10 human shields to protect a nuclear bomb in New York City, it is better to risk (or even take) the lives of those 10 human shields than it is to allow the bomb to detonate.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    It's willfull ignorance at best and dishonestly at worst.
    funny you should say that given that this:

    Well, you also forgot to mention they were also trained by the CIA on how to fight a more powerful and well equipped army. They were given the tactics they used on us by the CIA.
    and this:

    Without France's Naval power, we would have been destroyed.


    Are both untrue.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    We should always support the troops as a whole. When individual troops do the wrong thing they should get rightfully punished, but we should not demonize a whole group. As a Vet it hurts in a very deep way when people have called me name like baby killer by people that disagree with the wars. Also a friend of many Vietnam Vets I know the lack of support they got on their return really **** them up.

    That video was cheezy as hell. I liked it.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    This is a hell of a situation...but what to do ?
    Life must be a lot more than a "bummer".
    Are opportunities in short supply ?
    Is the future bleak ?
    Whose responsibly is ones happiness ?? (it cannot all be on the one man)...IMO.
    Our government also has its job.
    I understand the government has it's job...it's job is to protect us...but to engage troops in every Middle Eastern country every time they have a spat..is a war we cannot win!

    How can you fight people who are not afraid to die..and indeed embrace an ''heroic'' death?

    The whole situation reminds me of that fairground game..where you get a little hammer and you have to hit things that come out of little holes as fast as you can...as soon as you've hit one..another pops out of another hole!!

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    No. Again acts are separable things. Attempting the return Vietnam to the French was immoral. Rescuing Vietnamese boat people was moral.
    Forcing kids to go there and kill "the enemy". Is that moral?

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Please define "unjust". Is it against international law? US law? A US soldier is required to by law to fight the wars declared by the US government.

    Massacres are a different matter. The US has signed on and accept international law regarding the treatment of civililians and POW's. So a soldier told to shoot a POW or massacre a village is a completely different subject than answering his countries call to war.

    Edit: Honestly if the soldier should break US law and not fight in a war than any civilians paying taxes to fund a war are equally at fault!
    Paying taxes and shooting a gun are completely different acts, don't you think? Especially considering the fact that taxpayers are in no way advocating for the military, whereas those who are in the military willfully join with implicit agreement of US foreign policy.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Forcing kids to go there and kill "the enemy". Is that moral?
    I don't understand your reply to my post. I posted: Again acts are separable things.Please explain.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I don't understand your reply to my post. I posted: Again acts are separable things.Please explain.
    Because troops weren't sent there to save boat people. They were sent there to kill.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Paying taxes and shooting a gun are completely different acts, don't you think?
    I'm not sure about that. A lot of times with no money shooting doesn't take place or at least at a much lower level. I think Henry David Thoreau was correct in not paying taxes as a form of protest to the Mexican-American War.

    Especially considering the fact that taxpayers are in no way advocating for the military, whereas those who are in the military willfully join with implicit agreement of US foreign policy.
    Sure...they don't advocate for it...they just vote in power people that use it and continue to fund it at massive levels.

    I also disagree with the implicit agreement of US foreign policy. I think in general a lot of people join for different reasons but I don't think the agreement of US foreign policy is any stronger with soldiers than it is with tax payers/voters that make the decisions that soldiers follow through with.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not sure about that. A lot of times with no money shooting doesn't take place or at least at a much lower level. I think Henry David Thoreau was correct in not paying taxes as a form of protest to the Mexican-American War.
    Then I'd go to jail. I don't like that option.

    Sure...they don't advocate for it...they just vote in power people that use it and continue to fund it at massive levels.
    I vote for no such person. In fact, I don't vote.

    I also disagree with the implicit agreement of US foreign policy. I think in general a lot of people join for different reasons but I don't think the agreement of US foreign policy is any stronger with soldiers than it is with tax payers/voters that make the decisions that soldiers follow through with.
    How do you figure? Taxpayers are coerced into paying for it. Soldiers VOLUNTEER to join the organization that is responsible for the actions.

    Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord? And who shall stand in his holy place? He who has clean hands and a pure heart, who does not lift up his soul to what is false, and does not swear deceitfully. Psalm 24
    "True law is right reason in agreement with nature . . . Whoever is disobedient is fleeing from himself and denying his human nature [and] will suffer the worst penalties . . ." - Cicero

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