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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Because I swore an oath. That means something to me.
    Someone forced you? Was there a gun to your head?
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Someone forced you? Was there a gun to your head?
    No, I willing swore an oath to follow lawful orders from those above me. Then we went to war.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, I willing swore an oath to follow lawful orders from those above me. Then we went to war.
    When did you join?
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    There are a lot of things you can do, you can file for conscious objector status. That being said, none of the conflicts we have been involved in over the past two decades are of any surprise. We knew we were going to come into conflict with them, it was just a matter of when. Anyone who was not totally ignorant of what was going on in the last 2 decades knew were were going to be in Iraq and Afghanistan. Anyone who was in prior to that had to have re-enlisted to be in during the conflict. enlistments are only for 4-6 years, and in some cases as little as 2 years. So if you joined in the last 20 years, you knew this was coming or was happening. And you re-enlisted and supported the effort. The only people I may actually loathe more than the anti-war folks are people in the military that say they don't support the war. That is complete ignorance. BECAUSE YOU ARE SUPPORTING THE WAR directly or indirectly. It would be like working at a car engine factory and saying you don't support car ownership.
    This is so incredibly simplistic. A person could see the potential for conflict, but not foresee that we would engage when it was unnecessary. That is, a person could believe that we would engage only once it was good to do so and only if it actually did become necessary.

    As to your conscientious objector status: you cannot claim it for a war you disagree with. You can only claim it when you disagree with war itself.

    On March 8, 1971, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled in the case of Gillette v. United States that "the exemption for those who oppose "participation in war in any form" applies to those who oppose participating in all war and not to those who object to participation in a particular war only."

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    Talk about ignorance. I mean really, now.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    When did you join?
    I served 1987 to 1993.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Despite what they do? Even if they are in unjust wars? Even if they are committing massacres?
    No one should support a crime, and no one crime represents the entirety of the military. And being against a war isn't bring opposed to those who honestly serve this country.

    So, on the whole, yes those who serve us with honor deserve our respect and gratitude, even when misused by our leaders or when a few fir get their responsibility.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    This is so incredibly simplistic. A person could see the potential for conflict, but not foresee that we would engage when it was unnecessary. That is, a person could believe that we would engage only once it was good to do so and only if it actually did become necessary.

    As to your conscientious objector status: you cannot claim it for a war you disagree with. You can only claim it when you disagree with war itself.



    Talk about ignorance. I mean really, now.
    I don't see the difference. If you object to the war in Iraq or Afghanistan enough, you could make a case that you are against all war to get out of the military so you don't have to support a war you don't agree with.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I served 1987 to 1993.
    So you were against the liberation of Kuwait?
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    So you were against the liberation of Kuwait?
    I was against the US doing it. I have since changed my opinion on that war.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I don't see the difference. If you object to the war in Iraq or Afghanistan enough, you could make a case that you are against all war to get out of the military so you don't have to support a war you don't agree with.
    You seem to be perfectly willing to lie to get things to be your way. Not everyone is like that. Some people believe their word should mean something. I certainly do, so I could never sanction someone lying about how they feel about war in general in order to get out of fighting in a particular war.
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