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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    That's defense, that's different.
    Right, so there are exceptions. If troops are in battle and they need to defend themselves from the enemy and they kill innocents along the way (in a non-reckless or malicious manner), then I still support them.

    Necessarily.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    How is this relevant to what I am saying? Whether I agree or disagree with you has no bearing on whether I would honor the troops. I would honor them if they supported the action and I would honor them if they were against the action.
    I dont think you undestand what I am saying. And that is, if your support comes in the flavor of saying nice things about the troops, then marching in the protest lines on funding the war, we don't want your support. By in large, that was what the whole "Support the Troops but not the War" movement was about. They wanted to be able to march on washington and protest the funding that kept items like Humvees that could survive IED's and protective gear without feeling guilty about it. So in essence, they smile in a soldiers face, while stabbing him in the back.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Despite what they do? Even if they are in unjust wars? Even if they are committing massacres?
    As Goshin already said massacres are one thing, but just remember that soldiers are sent to wars by the politicians we vote for.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    And, the worst thing about it, is at the same time as refusing funding that would have saved lives, they used the increasing number of dead soldiers as a arguing point in their cause to pull the troops out. Its sickening, and these people should be ashamed of themselves. They are lower than humans, lower than scum... I don't think there is a word I can say in any language that expresses my disgust for these people.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I dont think you undestand what I am saying. And that is, if your support comes in the flavor of saying nice things about the troops, then marching in the protest lines on funding the war, we don't want your support. By in large, that was what the whole "Support the Troops but not the War" movement was about. They wanted to be able to march on washington and protest the funding that kept items like Humvees that could survive IED's and protective gear without feeling guilty about it. So in essence, they smile in a soldiers face, while stabbing him in the back.
    I am not misunderstanding what you have said, you are not reading what I have said. This will be the third time I write this: I would never support cutting funding to troops during a current war already under way. This is the fourth time: I would never support cutting funding to troops during a current war already under way. Hopefully you will see that and stop bringing it up with regard to my brand of "Support the troops but not the war". I am not sure why you keep bringing it up in our conversation.

    In fact, once hostilities had begun, I believed that we must see the matter through, and I thought that my fellow liberals who wanted to just "pull the troops out" were being idiots and irresponsible. Once we begin hostilities, we have a responsibility to the people we have destabilized, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE WAR IS UNJUST. So, I was completely into whatever it took to stabilize and nation build Iraq so that they could have a chance to avoid abject chaos. I felt we owed it to them.

    I utterly despise President Bush for starting hostilities in Iraq - which in my opinion he did with complete awareness of false pretenses. But, I do not despise the troops who correctly gave him their trust. I am grateful to them, I wanted them fully funded in war (fifth time I've said this now), I want us to treat them well now in the aftermath, and I want those who showed special character to be awarded recognition for their exceptional behavior.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    And, the worst thing about it, is at the same time as refusing funding that would have saved lives, they used the increasing number of dead soldiers as a arguing point in their cause to pull the troops out. Its sickening, and these people should be ashamed of themselves. They are lower than humans, lower than scum... I don't think there is a word I can say in any language that expresses my disgust for these people.
    I don't agree that funds were cut due to protests. Protesters of the type you are describing were by far the minority, and no one in Washington of any significance was feeling pressure to cut funding as a means to squelch the war. But, if you can demonstrate to me, with verifiable facts, that this occurred as you describe, I will reconsider my stance.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I am not misunderstanding what you have said, you are not reading what I have said. This will be the third time I write this: I would never support cutting funding to troops during a current war already under way. This is the fourth time: I would never support cutting funding to troops during a current war already under way. Hopefully you will see that and stop bringing it up with regard to my brand of "Support the troops but not the war". I am not sure why you keep bringing it up in our conversation.

    In fact, once hostilities had begun, I believed that we must see the matter through, and I thought that my fellow liberals who wanted to just "pull the troops out" were being idiots and irresponsible. Once we begin hostilities, we have a responsibility to the people we have destabilized, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE WAR IS UNJUST. So, I was completely into whatever it took to stabilize and nation build Iraq so that they could have a chance to avoid abject chaos. I felt we owed it to them.

    I utterly despise President Bush for starting hostilities in Iraq - which in my opinion he did with complete awareness of false pretenses. But, I do not despise the troops who correctly gave him their trust. I am grateful to them, I wanted them fully funded in war (fifth time I've said this now), I want us to treat them well now in the aftermath, and I want those who showed special character to be awarded recognition for their exceptional behavior.
    You are missing my point, regardless of what you wanted.. the vast majority of those who spewed the slogan "Support the troops but not the war" were what I described in my reply earlier.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You are missing my point, regardless of what you wanted.. the vast majority of those who spewed the slogan "Support the troops but not the war" were what I described in my reply earlier.
    So what? Why are you telling me about it? (not that I agree that the vast majority did this, but it is just irrelevant to my position)
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    You are missing my point, regardless of what you wanted.. the vast majority of those who spewed the slogan "Support the troops but not the war" were what I described in my reply earlier.
    It is a misnomer to say you support the troops and not the war? Do you wish for the troops to be defeated? To Die?
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It is a misnomer to say you support the troops and not the war? Do you wish for the troops to be defeted? To Die?

    I don't, I am a in the military, but some do. And I rather those people not put "I support the troops" stickers on their cars. Id rather they be honest and have to say they don't support the troops.
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