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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Despite what they do? Even if they are in unjust wars? Even if they are committing massacres?
    Depends on the intent. If a soldier genuinely believes that what they are doing is right and they don't endanger innocent people out of recklessness or malice, then yes, we should support them even if they participate in wars that we consider unjust. If a solider endangers innocent people out of recklessness or malice, I would say "supporting" them depends on the context. I don't think we should support this latter group by treating them as heroes, but I do think we should support them by getting them help.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Don't even try to compare a depressed US economy to a Communist economy.
    Their economy means jack ****. They have the numbers and the weaponry to carry out a full invasion courtesy of their friends and allies. You think we're the only nation that bankrolls proxies, coups, and conquest?

    What does China have to gain from getting involved?
    Is this supposed to be a serious question? China is the ally of the DPRK for one. For them personally, it would make us hurt in a way that we probably won't recover from, and they get that closer to dominating the global economy. They want the yen to be stronger than the dollar, and our loss of South Korea would greatly improve their odds of achieving that goal.


    Our being there means they get bombed to death.
    You silly rascal.


    Funny how those friends get selected.
    Not really, it's caused by a very complex amount of issues, and the fact that South Korea has stood by us since we repelled Kim Il Sung and Chairman Mao.


    Other than for blowback, what countries are intending to do anything against the US?
    That's cute. I'm going to start calling you guys the modern quislings. It's surprisingly more spineless than the original quislings, in that you agree with the enemy, even when there is no perceived danger to you. But where will that get you, should this "blowback" annihilate our economy, deprive us of needed supplies and resources, cripple our infrastructure, and begin to to take over our land, our lives, and our culture, until who we are as a people is completely erased? You think they'll welcome you with open arms? No. If you're lucky, they'll just put a bullet in your head and toss you into a pit.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Depends on the intent. If a soldier genuinely believes that what they are doing is right and they don't endanger innocent people out of recklessness or malice, then yes, we should support them even if they participate in wars that we consider unjust.
    Then those who engage in honor killings? That's okay?

    If a solider endangers innocent people out of recklessness or malice, I would say "supporting" them depends on the context. I don't think we should support this latter group by treating them as heroes, but I do think we should support them by getting them help.
    And not charging them with a crime?

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Their economy means jack ****. They have the numbers and the weaponry to carry out a full invasion courtesy of their friends and allies. You think we're the only nation that bankrolls proxies, coups, and conquest?
    That's the same thing that they said about the Soviet Union. There was no chance that they would be able to do anything.

    Is this supposed to be a serious question? China is the ally of the DPRK for one. For them personally, it would make us hurt in a way that we probably won't recover from, and they get that closer to dominating the global economy. They want the yen to be stronger than the dollar, and our loss of South Korea would greatly improve their odds of achieving that goal.
    The outrage against China for such an act would probably mitigate any gains.

    You silly rascal.
    That's how the government tried to save Vietnam.

    Not really, it's caused by a very complex amount of issues, and the fact that South Korea has stood by us since we repelled Kim Il Sung and Chairman Mao.
    Great, it's still not our problem.

    That's cute. I'm going to start calling you guys the modern quislings. It's surprisingly more spineless than the original quislings, in that you agree with the enemy, even when there is no perceived danger to you. But where will that get you, should this "blowback" annihilate our economy, deprive us of needed supplies and resources, cripple our infrastructure, and begin to to take over our land, our lives, and our culture, until who we are as a people is completely erased? You think they'll welcome you with open arms? No. If you're lucky, they'll just put a bullet in your head and toss you into a pit.
    Again, who is going to be able to invade the US? Who would even try?

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Then those who engage in honor killings? That's okay?
    Honor killings are reckless and based in malice, so no, that's not okay. But I thought we were talking about the US military. Are honor killings a thing in the military?

    And not charging them with a crime?
    If they commit a crime, then they should be charged with that crime.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Despite what they do? Even if they are in unjust wars? Even if they are committing massacres?
    Soldiers don't declare the wars the civilian branch of government does. If you have an issue with a war the US is fighting then make a change through the balance box. So no...if you think the war is unjust I don't think you should blame the troops.

    Now committing a massacre is a different thing.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Honor killings are reckless and based in malice, so no, that's not okay. But I thought we were talking about the US military. Are honor killings a thing in the military?
    I'm just saying that killing is killing, whether or not the murderer thinks it is justified.

    If they commit a crime, then they should be charged with that crime.
    The killing of innocents is a crime.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Soldiers don't declare the wars the civilian branch of government does. If you have an issue with a war the US is fighting then make a change through the balance box. So no...if you think the war is unjust I don't think you should blame the troops.

    Now committing a massacre is a different thing.
    So because the leaders want to do something unjust, we should only blame those and not those who actually prosecute the unjust action?

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'm just saying that killing is killing, whether or not the murderer thinks it is justified.
    Right, so if a man beats his wife and his wife kills him while he's doing it, do you have the same perspective?

    The killing of innocents is a crime.
    Not necessarily.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Right, so if a man beats his wife and his wife kills him while he's doing it, do you have the same perspective?
    That's defense, that's different.

    Not necessarily.
    Necessarily.

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