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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I haven't read through all the comments, but from reading countless postings over the years, I would say that the jiongists and anti-Americans are in somewhat equal measure. For every "America -- love it or leave it" type there is a "We're the real terrorist" idiot, both of whom seem locked in some reactive and dogmatic mindset that seems more rooted in personal psychology than anything rational.

    Should we support the troops? Absolutely, when they are involved in wars whose ultimate aim is to prevent greater tragedy. Should we ALWAYS support them? No, not when individuals cross the line that separates warfare from murder, or when the reasons for the war, itself are rooted in something other than the prevention of greater tragedy.
    I understand not support a (single or those soldiers involved) soldier when they cross the line such as Calley did at Mai Lai. Most soldiers agree with you on this.

    Then you concluded, or when the reasons for the war, itself are rooted in something other than the prevention of greater tragedy. The soldier has no say where he is sent to fight or if shall I say the war is viewed a just or unjust. That is left to congress and the president and to a certain extent the American populace. The American populace can also change their minds. They were behind Truman when he sent troops into Korea, but soon tired of that war and Eisenhower became presidency in 1952 with a simple slogan that he would go to Korea. Vietnam, again the vast majority of the American populace was behind LBJ when he sent the troops in only to tire by the length of it and the lies about it coming from the white house.

    Quite a lot of the American populace think now that the war with Iraq over WMDs was wrong, but in the beginning, they supported G.W. Bush when he went in. In all three of these congress gave their blessing which after all is our representatives. They represent us.

    The bottom line regardless of how one views a war, being just or not. The soldier has no say, he swore an oath to protect and defend. When congress gives it approval and the president signs that approval, the soldier goes where the president orders him to go and fights where ever the president sends him.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    When any question contains the word 'always', the answer should be 'No'.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Only if the troops, as some kind of conglomorated entity, were performing OUTSTANDING attrocities of moral reason. The invasion of Iraq is no where near the systematic mass purposeful killings of huge numbesr of individuals based on their race/religion.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    As far as supporting the troops and their families I think we should always support them. We don't have to support the wars, but we should support or soldiers. The only instance when I wouldn't would be as others have said, if they are committing atrocities like genocide. Even so, such an issue would be with the leadership since they are the ones giving the orders.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    That is what I am saying, the military is a volunteer force. So in essence, the vast majority of soldiers do support the war otherwise they would have not enlisted or re-enlisted during or leading up to the war.
    How is this relevant to what I am saying? Whether I agree or disagree with you has no bearing on whether I would honor the troops. I would honor them if they supported the action and I would honor them if they were against the action.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Well, I think this whole "Support the Troops" slogan is nothing more than a political tool.

    I hear people say that line all the time. Whenever I would argue against war or what we were doing in other countries...people would tout that line and claim I was unpatriotic. That is a bunch of nonsense.

    I talk to vets as much as possible. I think a new slogan should be started called "LISTEN TO THE TROOPS." More often than not...they hate the status quo, are not told why they are where they are, and are sick of seeing people die for a cause that they don't know.

    If you really want to support them....LISTEN TO THEM!
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Of course they wouldn't, that is why they make sure that the troops they sent to control a area are not from that area.
    That seems rather thought out... I'm a Libertarian and I'm not this paranoid lol no offense.

    We all would like to think that.But the fact is a lot of people have been complacent sheep and there are troops who would remain because either they believe in the cause or because they care more about their retirement than their principal.

    I'm a Libertarian and I'm not this paranoid lol no offense.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    You may not need to blame them, for everything, (somethings you do), but that doesn't mena you support them.
    So we shouldn't support the men who fight your right to say that we shouldn't support them? ...anybody can say what they want too, but if it was not for our military do you honestly believe we would be sitting here debating whether or not they deserve a pat on the back?

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    That seems rather thought out... I'm a Libertarian and I'm not this paranoid lol no offense.
    Paranoia has nothing to do with.Its just a logical assumption. It is probably a whole lot easier to turn on people you don't know than it is to turn on people you do know.


    I'm a Libertarian and I'm not this paranoid lol no offense.
    Paranoia has nothing to do with it. People are complacent sheep.They would rather watch American Idol,sports, honey Boo Boo or some other distraction than pay attention to anything their elected offcials do. These people make up the majority of voters. This is why we have a 90% disapproval rating in most of our elected officials but high incumbent reelection rate. Its because of these people why anti-Constitutionalists in office have been able to infringe on the constitution.
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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    YES. You do not have to support the mission, or the CINC, but you should be supporting the men and women of our Armed Forces at all times.

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