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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Despite what they do? Even if they are in unjust wars? Even if they are committing massacres?
    This one seems rather biased to begin with..."...massacres... unjust wars...". Nonetheless, yes we should. They are human, they make mistakes. And in case you did not know, they do not just go overseas and fight others on their own volition, they are given orders by the politicians YOU elect into office. And even more importantly they do it in order so you can safely criticize their actions from your computer while sipping on your coffee/tea or your apple juice.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We should always support them and they don't commit massacures.
    They absolutely have, and we should NOT support them if their actions are immoral.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Whether a war is just or unjust is not decided by the soldier, but by the government, the politicians. Therefore you should not hold individual soldiers accountable for fighting in a war you consider "unjust" (subjective judgement to some degree always); they are simply obeying orders and doing their jobs.

    Massacres are another matter... but then again one must understand the combat environment to realize that these things are not always as cut-and-dried as the media presents them. The "fog of war" often makes it hard to distinguish and protect civilians; doubly so when the enemy wears no uniform and deliberately hides among the civilian populace.
    Blaming the soldiers is not the right thing to do, but support implies you agree with the actions they do.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We should always support them and they don't commit massacures.
    So if the troops turned on the citizens even though we no longer have a draft you would be saying support the troops?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Despite what they do?
    I would say no. Because if US troops started turning on the American people by trying to confiscate firearms,arresting and shooting American citizens then I am pretty sure the only troops who would be supported are those who refused such orders. Those who enacted out such orders would be condemned because of what they are doing and because they made a conscience effort to join and stay in the military.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So if the troops turned on the citizens even though we no longer have a draft you would be saying support the troops?
    Do you honestly think that American troops....our (and likewise their own) cousins, brothers, fathers, mothers, sisters, aunts and uncles would just start shooting at other American civilians in the suburbs, cities etc. This "turning on us" is ridiculous. If a president were to ever be so bold as to command the destruction of the American people their would more than likely be a coup before that happens....unless were all zombies or infected with some sort of disease.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    This one seems rather biased to begin with..."...massacres... unjust wars...". Nonetheless, yes we should. They are human, they make mistakes. And in case you did not know, they do not just go overseas and fight others on their own volition, they are given orders by the politicians YOU elect into office. And even more importantly they do it in order so you can safely criticize their actions from your computer while sipping on your coffee/tea or your apple juice.
    You may not need to blame them, for everything, (somethings you do), but that doesn't mena you support them.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    My system of evaluation is only relevant for the set of people I have indicated.

    If I disagree with an unjust war, evaluate what I have done to prevent it. If I have not done everything I can, then be mad at myself, first. Then, evaluate whether my representative agreed with me. If s/he doesn't, then be mad at my representative. But at all times be grateful to the service people who made a promise to fight on my behalf, and fulfilled it.

    If you agree with a war, then there is no potential for cognitive dissonance for you to resolve regarding whether to honor the troops, so my system of evaluation doesn't apply to you. If, furthermore, you are a service person, then I am not sure why you would be considering whether you should honor yourself or your fellow service people. But, yes, whether you agree with a particular war or not, you should. You made a promise and kept it with honor and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, regardless.

    On the other hand, everyone can consider my evaluation, but when you already agree with a war, or are already a service person, I would think the conclusions would be more automatic. For example, I agreed that the war in Afghanistan was fully justified, so my support for the whole endeavor was completely automatic. I didn't really have to think about why a service person fighting in that war deserved my respect.
    That is what I am saying, the military is a volunteer force. So in essence, the vast majority of soldiers do support the war otherwise they would have not enlisted or re-enlisted during or leading up to the war.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning View Post
    Do you honestly think that American troops....our (and likewise their own) cousins, brothers, fathers, mothers, sisters, aunts and uncles would just start shooting at other American civilians in the suburbs, cities etc.
    Of course they wouldn't, that is why they make sure that the troops they sent to control a area are not from that area.

    This "turning on us" is ridiculous. If a president were to ever be so bold as to command the destruction of the American people their would more than likely be a coup before that happens....unless were all zombies or infected with some sort of disease
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    We all would like to think that.But the fact is a lot of people have been complacent sheep and there are troops who would remain because either they believe in the cause or because they care more about their retirement than their principal.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should We Always Support the Troops?

    I haven't read through all the comments, but from reading countless postings over the years, I would say that the jiongists and anti-Americans are in somewhat equal measure. For every "America -- love it or leave it" type there is a "We're the real terrorist" idiot, both of whom seem locked in some reactive and dogmatic mindset that seems more rooted in personal psychology than anything rational.

    Should we support the troops? Absolutely, when they are involved in wars whose ultimate aim is to prevent greater tragedy. Should we ALWAYS support them? No, not when individuals cross the line that separates warfare from murder, or when the reasons for the war, itself are rooted in something other than the prevention of greater tragedy.
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