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Thread: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Is that the same as Pvt. Manning, Kirikao, or Julian Assange? I believe that our gov't believes it was disparaged by these three gentlemen.
    Manning and Assange are not wanted for "disparaging" the government. They are wanted for releasing government security secrets. I don't agree with how Manning and Assange have been treated by the U.S. government, but let's not pretend that what they did is the same thing as merely speaking out against the government. It isn't. I have no idea who Kirikao is and upon doing a Google search, all I got was some African folk tale.

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    EDIT: Just saw Hatuey's post. Hopefully, you're done spewing ignorance now.
    The NK kidnappings mentioned above had little to nothing to do with people criticizing the NK state. For the most part, they were just random people kidnapped for no reason. As bizarre as that sounds

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    The NK kidnappings mentioned above had little to nothing to do with people criticizing the NK state. For the most part, they were just random people kidnapped for no reason. As bizarre as that sounds
    Yeah, and my original comment that SMTA criticized was, "People have been jailed in North Korea for less," so while Hatuey's comment may not directly counter SMTA's red herring, it supports my actual argument that he was trying and failing to critique.

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Do you mean the rest of the World is turning sane? We're imprisoning whistleblowers (Kirikao) who report torturers and don't imprison the torturers. We're imprisoning those that reveal the truth about the Iraq War (Manning). We want to arrest Julian Assange because he revealed the truth about our diplomacy of lies. Where's all that sanity in the USA?
    I don't want to take this thread off topic, but I can't let this just go without saying something. Not that saying anything is going to change what you think. From my expirience, the people who have the view you have are so hard wired with it that they ignore any good points the opposition of their view may have. While yes, I agree that there is a problem with hiding actual acts of tourture. And I also agree that those responsible for it should be punished. I believe if you hold this view, you cant just pick and choose what countries you are going to apply it to. The US, by far, does the most work on meeting the values we feel should be held to during war. Does that excuse the incidents that do happen, does that mean we should not point out when we stray from those values, of course not. However, its very telling, when people only focus on the US and not on issues that are common in other parts of the world.

    Its very telling that people attack the US for the hand full of instances of torture in Iraq and say nothing about the torture that was inflicted on the Iraqi people by the dictator we sought to overthrow. Some even make the claim that Iraq was better off under Saddam just in spite of the invasion of Iraq by the US. They make the glaring mistake of advocating against the very thing they are trying to advocate for by saying things like these.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yeah, and my original comment that SMTA criticized was, "People have been jailed in North Korea for less," so while Hatuey's comment may not directly counter SMTA's red herring, it supports my actual argument that he was trying and failing to critique.
    I agree that people have been jailed for less, but these people weren't even in NK originally. One girl was kidnapped while walking home from school in rural japan (i think she was 14 at the time). It's some really crazy **** to read up on and absolutely makes no sense as you do

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Anyhow, my reply to this thread is that we should put little weight in Dennis Rodman's opinion on North Korea. If Dennis Rodman did any kind of research on North Korea he would find that King Jong Un is not "Awesome". Unless you define "Awesome" as starving people, oppression of free speech, oppression of free expression, oppression of basic human rights.... I really don't understand why there is a press conference being held to hear the opinion of someone who believes these things are "Awesome". Unless of course the purpose of the conference is to highlight how an ignorant basketball player was wined and dined and saw the propaganda as truth.
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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    no vote
    no selection even close to the truth.
    I do wonder about Rodman, he of the brave but foolish of men.
    And, IF the N Korean leader were to leave his safe confines (if allowed to do so !) and travel the world, he might change his views...

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Anyhow, my reply to this thread is that we should put little weight in Dennis Rodman's opinion on North Korea. If Dennis Rodman did any kind of research on North Korea he would find that King Jong Un is not "Awesome". Unless you define "Awesome" as starving people, oppression of free speech, oppression of free expression, oppression of basic human rights.... I really don't understand why there is a press conference being held to hear the opinion of someone who believes these things are "Awesome". Unless of course the purpose of the conference is to highlight how an ignorant basketball player was wined and dined and saw the propaganda as truth.
    well, it certainly delivered him from total obscurity

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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Are you joking? They jail foreigners all the time. Check your ignorance. I honestly cannot believe how comfortable some people are with speaking before they educate themselves. Holy ****.

    EDIT: Just saw Hatuey's post. Hopefully, you're done spewing ignorance now.
    Name one famous American sportsperson, who visited like Rodman, made nasty comments, and was then jailed.

    I'll wait.
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    Re: Leaving NKorea, Rodman calls Kims 'great leaders'

    and in return, the Kims all agreed that Rodman is quite the extraordinarily handsome and erudite man.
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