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Do you favor background checks on voters?

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To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
 
joko104 said:
To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
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Personally I do.

i need ID for banking,flying,buying booze etc. Thus it shouldn't be a problem.

Before the libs all scream I'm in favor of state provided ID at no charge for those who can't afford it!!
 
joko104 said:
To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
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Proof of residency and proof of citizenship would be good things.
 
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I didn't initially understand the question thoroughly.
Sorry. :)

I don't support background checks, just photo id's.
 
I've always supported photo ID to vote. Hell, I'd even settle for a 1-use magnetic card that you have to swipe at the booth to vote...mailed out to the last known address of anybody who's ever filed a tax return, as it appears the problem isn't non-citizens and non-residents voting, but rather people voting more than once.
 
Unlike buying guns, ammo, alcohol or tobacco, getting on an airliner or cashing a check, voting is so innocent (important?) that all, including illegal aliens, felons, minors and anyone capable of voing "correctly" must be able to vote early and vote often - any attempts to require positive ID are racist, discriminatory and unfair. /sarcasm
 
ID to register with proof of residency in that county.

ID to vote at the booths.
 
joko104 said:
To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
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Nope. All it will really do in the long run is waste a lot of money have have little to no impact.
 
I will say this again.

In ALL European countries, at the age of 14, you get a state provide ID card. You have to carry that every time you engage with a state institution and not just. Lose it, and you pay a fine to replace it. Refuse to provide it when demanded, you may even spend time in police hold-up in certain countries.

I see it as illogical to not have that in the US. ID card is important. You shouldn't be allowed to vote without it or register to vote without it. Any form of ID. From drivers' license to state ID.
 
joko104 said:
To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
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Joko...I've considered this proposal and/or question a number of times. I'm not convinced that we have enough data to make the call to implement a nationwide type of background check...necessary to vote.

Just some of the questions I might have would be like:

What is the estimated worse case scenario estimates for fraudulent voting...nation wide and how would a background check prevented those frauds? Or is there specific sectors of the US that seems to have more documented situations. Are there state by state numbers of documented fraud that would lead us to believe that the problems are truly significant. We're gonna see fraud everywhere we look. Some of the biggest acts frauds occur within our government. Don't believe it...look at the tax deductions you have.

Nobody seems to be able to quantitatively define the problem. So it's really difficult to say if or where its needed.
 
joko104 said:
To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
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Absolutely. How else is anyone going to know if a person is legally eligible to vote?
 
Rainman05 said:
I will say this again.

In ALL European countries, at the age of 14, you get a state provide ID card. You have to carry that every time you engage with a state institution and not just. Lose it, and you pay a fine to replace it. Refuse to provide it when demanded, you may even spend time in police hold-up in certain countries.

I see it as illogical to not have that in the US. ID card is important. You shouldn't be allowed to vote without it or register to vote without it. Any form of ID. From drivers' license to state ID.
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We have something similar in the way that you can't do anything in this nation without a drivers license or state ID.
 
joko104 said:
To obtain a voter registration card in many states requires no proof of identity whatsover, nor any check to see if the person is a felony or American.

Do you favor background checks and IDs before a person can obtain a voter registration card and vote?
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How would we pay for such a costly program? All some people want to do is spend taxpayers money.
 
Removable Mind said:
Joko...I've considered this proposal and/or question a number of times. I'm not convinced that we have enough data to make the call to implement a nationwide type of background check...necessary to vote.

Just some of the questions I might have would be like:

What is the estimated worse case scenario estimates for fraudulent voting...nation wide and how would a background check prevented those frauds? Or is there specific sectors of the US that seems to have more documented situations. Are there state by state numbers of documented fraud that would lead us to believe that the problems are truly significant. We're gonna see fraud everywhere we look. Some of the biggest acts frauds occur within our government. Don't believe it...look at the tax deductions you have.

Nobody seems to be able to quantitatively define the problem. So it's really difficult to say if or where its needed.
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Why is it necessary to prove a problem exists? It would seem the rational approach to matters of government would be to avoid problems in the first place.
 
Surtr said:
We have something similar in the way that you can't do anything in this nation without a drivers license or state ID.
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But you can vote :p
 
Rainman05 said:
But you can vote :p
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I've always been asked for my ID when voting. It's not a big deal, and I really don't get the fuss. If someone is too lazy or inept to get a little plastic card that everyone is practically required to have, then they aren't competent enough to make an informed decision on who should be our nation's leaders.
 
penn1954 said:
Personally I do.

i need ID for banking,flying,buying booze etc. Thus it shouldn't be a problem.

Before the libs all scream I'm in favor of state provided ID at no charge for those who can't afford it!!
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Voting is a right is it not? Banking flying, buying booze etc are not rights. They're privileges. You don't need an ID to exercise a right.
 
joko104 said:
Why is it necessary to prove a problem exists? It would seem the rational approach to matters of government would be to avoid problems in the first place.
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How about leash laws for Unicorns.

"A 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology found U.S. civilians use guns to defend from crime at least 989,883 times per year. A 1994 survey by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes 498,000 times per year."

There is another study that shows that by having a gun in your house the odds are that you are more likely to have somebody shot in your family. But of course the gun is meant for protection. So by getting a gun in the house for protection, you increase the chances that the family you are hoping to protect will be shot by that gun.
 
Adagio said:
Voting is a right is it not? Banking flying, buying booze etc are not rights. They're privileges. You don't need an ID to exercise a right.
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In the case of voting, I think the need to prevent voter fraud outweighs the generic “You don't need an ID to exercise a right”i/i] argument.

When someone casts a vote, who is not eligible to vote, or when someone casts multiple votes, or otherwise acts to violate the integrity of the electoral process, the result is that everyone who had cast a legitimate vote has his voting rights violated, by having the influence of his vote illegitimately diluted.

I am all for requiring some form of verification, before one is allowed to cast a vote, that he is a citizen of the United States, a legal resident of the locality in which the election is taking place, and that he is not casting more than one vote. At the same time, I believe that this process needs to take place in a manner that imposes the least possible burden on the voter to meet these verification requirements, and impose the least possible intrusion upon the voter's privacy.
 
Adagio said:
How about leash laws for Unicorns.

"A 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology found U.S. civilians use guns to defend from crime at least 989,883 times per year. A 1994 survey by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes 498,000 times per year."

There is another study that shows that by having a gun in your house the odds are that you are more likely to have somebody shot in your family. But of course the gun is meant for protection. So by getting a gun in the house for protection, you increase the chances that the family you are hoping to protect will be shot by that gun.
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It seems to me, on the face of it, that any study such as that you mention in the last paragraph, is inherently deceptive.

Of course, if you you have a gun in your home, then the likelihood of someone in your home being shot with that gun, is higher than if you don;'t have a gun in your home. But it's a stupid point. If you don't have a bathtub in your home, then the likelihood is much lower that someone in your home will drown in a bathtub. If you don't have a ladder in your home, then it is less likely that someone in your home will fall off of a ladder. If your home doesn't have a roof, then it is less likely that someone will be killed or injured in your home by having your roof collapse on them. If you don't have a home, then it is less likely that anyone will be killed or injured by any means in your home.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
In the case of voting, I think the need to prevent voter fraud outweighs the generic “You don't need an ID to exercise a right”i/i] argument.

When someone casts a vote, who is not eligible to vote, or when someone casts multiple votes, or otherwise acts to violate the integrity of the electoral process, the result is that everyone who had cast a legitimate vote has his voting rights violated, by having the influence of his vote illegitimately diluted.

I am all for requiring some form of verification, before one is allowed to cast a vote, that he is a citizen of the United States, a legal resident of the locality in which the election is taking place, and that he is not casting more than one vote. At the same time, I believe that this process needs to take place in a manner that imposes the least possible burden on the voter to meet these verification requirements, and impose the least possible intrusion upon the voter's privacy.
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Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
 
haymarket said:
Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
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If the person casting his vote is not who he claims to be, then this is a problem. By voting, he would be stealing a vote from somebody else.
 
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