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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why is it necessary to prove a problem exists? It would seem the rational approach to matters of government would be to avoid problems in the first place.
    How about leash laws for Unicorns.

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    There is another study that shows that by having a gun in your house the odds are that you are more likely to have somebody shot in your family. But of course the gun is meant for protection. So by getting a gun in the house for protection, you increase the chances that the family you are hoping to protect will be shot by that gun.
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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    Voting is a right is it not? Banking flying, buying booze etc are not rights. They're privileges. You don't need an ID to exercise a right.
    In the case of voting, I think the need to prevent voter fraud outweighs the generic [i]“You don't need an ID to exercise a right”i/i] argument.

    When someone casts a vote, who is not eligible to vote, or when someone casts multiple votes, or otherwise acts to violate the integrity of the electoral process, the result is that everyone who had cast a legitimate vote has his voting rights violated, by having the influence of his vote illegitimately diluted.

    I am all for requiring some form of verification, before one is allowed to cast a vote, that he is a citizen of the United States, a legal resident of the locality in which the election is taking place, and that he is not casting more than one vote. At the same time, I believe that this process needs to take place in a manner that imposes the least possible burden on the voter to meet these verification requirements, and impose the least possible intrusion upon the voter's privacy.
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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Adagio View Post
    How about leash laws for Unicorns.

    "A 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology found U.S. civilians use guns to defend from crime at least 989,883 times per year. A 1994 survey by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Americans use guns to frighten away intruders who are breaking into their homes 498,000 times per year."

    There is another study that shows that by having a gun in your house the odds are that you are more likely to have somebody shot in your family. But of course the gun is meant for protection. So by getting a gun in the house for protection, you increase the chances that the family you are hoping to protect will be shot by that gun.
    It seems to me, on the face of it, that any study such as that you mention in the last paragraph, is inherently deceptive.

    Of course, if you you have a gun in your home, then the likelihood of someone in your home being shot with that gun, is higher than if you don;'t have a gun in your home. But it's a stupid point. If you don't have a bathtub in your home, then the likelihood is much lower that someone in your home will drown in a bathtub. If you don't have a ladder in your home, then it is less likely that someone in your home will fall off of a ladder. If your home doesn't have a roof, then it is less likely that someone will be killed or injured in your home by having your roof collapse on them. If you don't have a home, then it is less likely that anyone will be killed or injured by any means in your home.
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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    In the case of voting, I think the need to prevent voter fraud outweighs the generic [i]“You don't need an ID to exercise a right”i/i] argument.

    When someone casts a vote, who is not eligible to vote, or when someone casts multiple votes, or otherwise acts to violate the integrity of the electoral process, the result is that everyone who had cast a legitimate vote has his voting rights violated, by having the influence of his vote illegitimately diluted.

    I am all for requiring some form of verification, before one is allowed to cast a vote, that he is a citizen of the United States, a legal resident of the locality in which the election is taking place, and that he is not casting more than one vote. At the same time, I believe that this process needs to take place in a manner that imposes the least possible burden on the voter to meet these verification requirements, and impose the least possible intrusion upon the voter's privacy.
    Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
    If the person casting his vote is not who he claims to be, then this is a problem. By voting, he would be stealing a vote from somebody else.

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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If the person casting his vote is not who he claims to be, then this is a problem. By voting, he would be stealing a vote from somebody else.
    You apparently missed my post that you reproduced... again..... Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You apparently missed my post that you reproduced... again..... Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
    Please reproduce the quote in which I claimed to have evidence of voter fraud.

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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    Please reproduce the quote in which I claimed to have evidence of voter fraud.
    that is what is so downright weird about your participation here. My reply in 24 was to Bob Blaylock who did indeed discuss fraud. I asked him to shoe evidence it was a problem that needed a solution.

    You then responded to my challenge to him in your own post 25

    If the person casting his vote is not who he claims to be, then this is a problem. By voting, he would be stealing a vote from somebody else.
    So apparently you did not look favorable on my challenge to Blaylock and decided to chime in on his side. Are you now saying that are NOT supporting Blaylock and his accusations and there is no evidence of election fraud that needs a solution?

    Pick one because you cannot have it both ways.
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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that is what is so downright weird about your participation here. My reply in 24 was to Bob Blaylock who did indeed discuss fraud. I asked him to shoe evidence it was a problem that needed a solution.

    You then responded to my challenge to him in your own post 25

    So apparently you did not look favorable on my challenge to Blaylock and decided to chime in on his side. Are you now saying that are NOT supporting Blaylock and his accusations and there is no evidence of election fraud that needs a solution?

    Pick one because you cannot have it both ways.
    No idea what you're talking about.

    Here's what I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    If the person casting his vote is not who he claims to be, then this is a problem. By voting, he would be stealing a vote from somebody else.
    If you have a problem with that statement, go ahead and tell me what it is.

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    Re: Do you favor background checks on voters?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Please do present your evidence of voter fraud that would indicate we have any sort of problem that needs to be dealt with in this manner.
    Do I HAVE to link you to the Black Panthers website?

    Don't think I won't.

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