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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, Pero.

    Excellent quotes. We've been warned! Sad that some don't yet understand...but they will
    Only after it is way too late.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Only after it is way too late.
    Yep!

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Yep!
    You know pol, I was thinking about this. Since the 50's when I grew up, the loss of freedoms for security has been very gradual and hardly noticeable. Yet if one compares the individual freedoms of the 50's to today, it does stand out in sharp contrast. As long as the loss is very slow, almost perceptual then there is no alarm raised. There is no sense of loss, yet it is happening right before us.

    It is hard to put a finger on it, but if one looks at the influence of government in an individual citizen's life, it is easier to see. Back when I was young, Washington D.C. might have well been on Mars for all the influence it had over the individual citizen. Today, almost everything one does is or has been influence by the government someway, somehow. Most of the responsibilities left to the state and/or the people have now moved to Washington with their one size fits all bureaucracies. We have become use to it and we expect it. The rugged individualism that built this country is long gone.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You know pol, I was thinking about this. Since the 50's when I grew up, the loss of freedoms for security has been very gradual and hardly noticeable. Yet if one compares the individual freedoms of the 50's to today, it does stand out in sharp contrast. As long as the loss is very slow, almost perceptual then there is no alarm raised. There is no sense of loss, yet it is happening right before us.

    It is hard to put a finger on it, but if one looks at the influence of government in an individual citizen's life, it is easier to see. Back when I was young, Washington D.C. might have well been on Mars for all the influence it had over the individual citizen. Today, almost everything one does is or has been influence by the government someway, somehow. Most of the responsibilities left to the state and/or the people have now moved to Washington with their one size fits all bureaucracies. We have become use to it and we expect it. The rugged individualism that built this country is long gone.
    Agree 100 percent! It's the "frog in the water slowly coming to a boil" thing. However, I never worried until recently about DC being the enemy...drones spying on us, warrantless searches, incarceration without known reason, going around the Constitution to do what they want, etc. What the hell happened? And why did our State Governors give in to DC? Money promised for compliance with Fed rules? It can't last, because human nature desires to be free. Look at the coups taking place in other parts of the world while we seem to be heading in the opposite direction! Again I ask...what the hell happened? My question is rhetorical, but it deserves an answer.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am suprised that you deny knowing what a Jew is.
    Why would that surprise you? The label implies there should be a place called "Jewland", but since there isn't, we assume it refers to a religion... Judaism? The weird thing about that one is that if that were the case, it should be "Jewdaism", or "Juish". In the bible, the label is used to separate "God's" people from everybody else, leading many to conclude that the bible promotes racism, violence, and genocide.

    When we hear about the holocaust, we know the Jews were the ones Hitler didn't like, and Hitler was all about racism - so we assume that the Jews are a human race. Still no cigar. For myself, a So. Cal. native, a "Jew" was a miserly penny pincher who never spent money, and I believe most of us who ever used the term in that context, was not referring to the group of people called the "Jews". We just didn't know any better. I'm still not clear on it. I'm going to research the origin of the word "Jewish" and see what it says.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    That's just another label. I don't even know what a "jew" is. If it's not a nationality or race, what is it - a religion?

    No, what I'm referring to is the apparent role of influence that Israel appears to have within the U.S. government itself. The levels of importance given to things like the needs of Israel, are certainly suspect. For example, one of the foremost issues in the 2012 US presidential debate (if not THE foremost issue) was whether or not the candidate would be in favor of fighting a war for Israel, a nation perfectly capable of defending itself (and with a more than adequate nuclear arsenal of its own), should Israel become involved in a war with Iran, EVEN WHEN IT WAS SPECULATED THAT TO DO SO WOULD MOST LIKELY TRIGGER A THIRD WORLD WAR.

    I find that a little bizarre considering the fact that we are not Israel so why would the US government be so willing to throw American lives around where it is so unnecessary. Again, Israel's military is very capable. Israel plays us like a cheap violin but we let them. So one must ask, why?

    I believe it was Hillary Clinton who said we must stand behind whatever Israel does because they are our "most trusted and dearest ally". Oh really? Tell that to one of the survivors of the USS Liberty attack. If you are familiar with the USS LIBERTY false flag operation, as well as the "dancing Israelis" and exploding truck bombs on 911, you'll find that both events were covered up extensively by the US government. This seems to indicate that Israel is our "go-to" guy for false flag ops....ah, now I get it..."most trusted and dearest ally", but not in a good way that serves the American people.
    It was only a matter of time before zee Jooz were dragged into this abortion of a thread.
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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    If you are that extraordinarily ignorant, you have no business discussing the subject at all.

    It is obvious that you have been to plenty of hate sites, and are capable of parroting what you find there as would a child, but in order to dispell this incredible ignorance of yours, you need a real education and not conspiracy/hate sites.
    I don't know what a "hate site" is, but, as evidenced by your hateful commentary, you apparently do. In claiming the "ignorance" is all on my part, you effectively reveal where the ignorance truly lies. It's obvious that, by the way you use the word "conspiracy", you're implying that those who see right through the media smokescreen, and are not so easily duped and susceptible to the (by now)
    old, tired, and predictable methods of mass deception, are crazy, tinfoil hat wearing lunatics. So, let me try another approach. Since I'm crazy, I trust you can answer this simple hypothetical question:

    Let's say the country you live in started to enact laws that undermined the most basic human rights, engaged in "power-grabs" all over the world, and increasingly ignored whether what they did was illegal or not. You, as a citizen, become concerned and after years of exhaustive research, you discover that the government is rogue, and that it did not happen overnight - that there is a mass conspiracy at work. Because the media is actively part of the conspiracy, a large percentage of the population are not aware of what is taking place. The media has been a vital tool and instrumental in seeing to it that anybody who points out a "conspiracy", is labeled a tinfoil hat-wearing fruitcake. So what do you do?

    Now remember, the protagonist in this hypothetical story is correct and there is indeed a huge conspiracy of power and deceit. How ridiculous is it that the vast majority has fallen for the media deception that conspiracies don't exist and you are loony if you think otherwise? Think about that one. Get out of the fog. Wake up. Look up the word "conspiracy" - I guarantee you it will not say "something so unlikely to happen that if anybody says it does they are to be ridiculed so that noone else will say it again".

    "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.'' - J. Edgar Hoover

    Eisenhower also warned us (below) about it. To my knowledge, he didn't wear a tinfoil hat.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It was only a matter of time before zee Jooz were dragged into this abortion of a thread.
    (zee jooz -abortion of a thread- lol) I never mentioned the Jooz. The whole Joo thing started when I made reference to the fact that there is too much Israel and not enough United States in our government. Someone asked if I meant the Jooz - I said no, I meant Israel, I don't really know for certain what a Joo is. Then a debate ensued about a definition for Joo.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    (zee jooz -abortion of a thread- lol) I never mentioned the Jooz.
    Of course you didn't. You're too afraid to be called a an antisemite so you hide behind Israel and conspiring Jew lobbies. I don't expect you to have the intellectual ability to actually deviate from your carefully crafted script explaining a fictional Israeli influence of the US government as negative.
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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    And on two occasions throughout the history of the United States, it was actually illegal to say anything which was disrespectful of the government or its leaders. There was the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, and there was the Sedition and Espionage Act during World War I. Many people were tried and convicted. It was a dark mark on the protections of speech and expression. There was also Japanese internment camps, Watergate, the Palmer Raids, the Red Scare, McCarthyism, etc, etc.

    All of these were egregious violations of our liberties. But, guess what? We got through it, and things got a little better. And as long as we as a society value freedom, things will continue get better, even if there are bumps along the way.
    What's your point? Are you saying that we should ignore the problem and it will go away? We'll just "get past" it somehow?

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