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Thread: The march towards a police state continues

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes, the nationality is referred to as "Israeli". If the country was named Jew, then I suppose the nationality could be "Jewish".

    Ok, I'll ask... why? Is it because they have the Ark of the Covenant?

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    nah but that is my question, why?

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    nah but that is my question, why?
    Well, if you cannot answer that then perhaps your premise is BS.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    That's just another label. I don't even know what a "jew" is. If it's not a nationality or race, what is it - a religion?
    "Jew" is short for Jewish, which describes a common faith (religion) in Israel called Judaism.

    No, what I'm referring to is the apparent role of influence that Israel appears to have within the U.S. government itself. The levels of importance given to things like the needs of Israel, are certainly suspect. For example, one of the foremost issues in the 2012 US presidential debate (if not THE foremost issue) was whether or not the candidate would be in favor of fighting a war for Israel, a nation perfectly capable of defending itself (and with a more than adequate nuclear arsenal of its own), should Israel become involved in a war with Iran, EVEN WHEN IT WAS SPECULATED THAT TO DO SO WOULD MOST LIKELY TRIGGER A THIRD WORLD WAR.

    I find that a little bizarre considering the fact that we are not Israel so why would the US government be so willing to throw American lives around where it is so unnecessary. Again, Israel's military is very capable. Israel plays us like a cheap violin but we let them. So one must ask, why?
    Israel's military is pretty much a result of purchases from the US. By supplying them with a potent arsenal we keep a powerful ally and counter balance for our strategic oil interests.

    I believe it was Hillary Clinton who said we must stand behind whatever Israel does because they are our "most trusted and dearest ally". Oh really? Tell that to one of the survivors of the USS Liberty attack. If you are familiar with the USS LIBERTY false flag operation, as well as the "dancing Israelis" and exploding truck bombs on 911, you'll find that both events were covered up extensively by the US government. This seems to indicate that Israel is our "go-to" guy for false flag ops....ah, now I get it..."most trusted and dearest ally", but not in a good way that serves the American people.
    Is there enough evidence of these events to be prosecuted? If so why would the US Gov back a hostile entity?
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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ...and everyone seems to be smiling all the way.
    This is the part that disturbs me the most. They're not smiling because they want totalitarianism, they're smiling because they don't see it. They're smiling because they think we're paranoid tin-foil hat wearers. They can walk outside right now and everything is calm, no dissent, and they think "I don't see any police state". They are not aware because it's so very gradual. Imagine a hunter setting a trap to catch an animal. It's dark, it's quiet, and you can't make any sudden moves or you will scare the animal away. So you work in silence, and in the dark, and set up the trap ever so slowly. But when the trap is completed, boom! the **** hits the fan, and life will never be the same.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    The question is, Liberty or security?
    I'm gonna go with liberty since there is so little terrorism that any terrorism that has occurred here in the US, they've had to manufacture.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Is there enough evidence of these events to be prosecuted?
    ABSOLUTELY. without the obstruction of justice being committed by the US government, there is more than enough evidence, starting with transcripts of eyewitness testimony that the government refuses to allow anyone to view, despite numerous attempts to make them release the documents via freedom of information act. Because they will not release the docs, they are guilty by default.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    The likelyhood of the US becoming a police state is so incredibly low. This hyberbolic panic is irritating. Your rights aren't going anywhere. The Gov't is not becoming oppressive. You are not being forced to accept certain ideals. You can still partake in this idiotic hyperbole without persucution. Everything I see points to toward the opposite.

    Sit down and shut up. Deal with the problems at hand and stop your paranoid rampages.
    I respectfully disagree. There is danger of becoming a police state. 1. Germany was a democracy known as the Weimar Republic before it became the Third Reich. The Nazi Party took power legally rather than via a coup. (A previous attempted coup had failed.) 2. The Patriot Act. Thanks to this atrocious piece of legislation borne of our fear all the government has do do is claim "terrorism" to suspend a person's right to legal counsel and to be charged with a crime or freed. You can be held indefinitely with no recourse if the government trumps up a terrorism claim. Of course this is unconstitutional, but that doesn't matter. They're enforcing this unjust law anyway. 3. Illegal wiretapping. This also comes from the Patriot Act. Now we as Americans no longer have free speech in privacy on the telephone thanks to the Patriot Act. It doesn't matter that this violates the First Amendment. They're doing it anyway. 4. For some time now we've been allowing presidents to go to war if they want to in contrast to the previous tradition of requiring any president to get a formal declaration of war through Congress. 5. Citizens United. We've been allowing huge corporations to bribe our politicians, stealing our government that is supposed to represent us away from us. CU was the culmination of this. It essentially gives carte blanche for corporate tyranny. Corporations manipulate our government as if they own it. They've kept an absurd War on Drugs in place, which isn't about the safety of citizens and never has been. It's all for corporate profits. The privatization of our prisons has created a profit incentive to lock people up. We continue to do so via our absurd drug busts. Think of it. You could grow a natural herb on your own property and then get invaded by the Feds and locked up. They could even claim via the Patriot Act that you're in cahoots with terrorists, resulting in your not being allowed a lawyer or any way to fight the charges. That absolutely is our government behaving like a police state. We're not as far down that road as Nazi Germany was, but we've gone way farther down the road than we should.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    That's just another label. I don't even know what a "jew" is. If it's not a nationality or race, what is it - a religion?

    No, what I'm referring to is the apparent role of influence that Israel appears to have within the U.S. government itself. The levels of importance given to things like the needs of Israel, are certainly suspect. For example, one of the foremost issues in the 2012 US presidential debate (if not THE foremost issue) was whether or not the candidate would be in favor of fighting a war for Israel, a nation perfectly capable of defending itself (and with a more than adequate nuclear arsenal of its own), should Israel become involved in a war with Iran, EVEN WHEN IT WAS SPECULATED THAT TO DO SO WOULD MOST LIKELY TRIGGER A THIRD WORLD WAR.

    I find that a little bizarre considering the fact that we are not Israel so why would the US government be so willing to throw American lives around where it is so unnecessary. Again, Israel's military is very capable. Israel plays us like a cheap violin but we let them. So one must ask, why?

    I believe it was Hillary Clinton who said we must stand behind whatever Israel does because they are our "most trusted and dearest ally". Oh really? Tell that to one of the survivors of the USS Liberty attack. If you are familiar with the USS LIBERTY false flag operation, as well as the "dancing Israelis" and exploding truck bombs on 911, you'll find that both events were covered up extensively by the US government. This seems to indicate that Israel is our "go-to" guy for false flag ops....ah, now I get it..."most trusted and dearest ally", but not in a good way that serves the American people.
    I am suprised that you deny knowing what a Jew is.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    I don't even know what a "jew" is. .
    If you are that extraordinarily ignorant, you have no business discussing the subject at all.

    It is obvious that you have been to plenty of hate sites, and are capable of parroting what you find there as would a child, but in order to dispell this incredible ignorance of yours, you need a real education and not conspiracy/hate sites.
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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I respectfully disagree. There is danger of becoming a police state. 1. Germany was a democracy known as the Weimar Republic before it became the Third Reich. The Nazi Party took power legally rather than via a coup. (A previous attempted coup had failed.) 2. The Patriot Act. Thanks to this atrocious piece of legislation borne of our fear all the government has do do is claim "terrorism" to suspend a person's right to legal counsel and to be charged with a crime or freed. You can be held indefinitely with no recourse if the government trumps up a terrorism claim. Of course this is unconstitutional, but that doesn't matter. They're enforcing this unjust law anyway. 3. Illegal wiretapping. This also comes from the Patriot Act. Now we as Americans no longer have free speech in privacy on the telephone thanks to the Patriot Act. It doesn't matter that this violates the First Amendment. They're doing it anyway. 4. For some time now we've been allowing presidents to go to war if they want to in contrast to the previous tradition of requiring any president to get a formal declaration of war through Congress. 5. Citizens United. We've been allowing huge corporations to bribe our politicians, stealing our government that is supposed to represent us away from us. CU was the culmination of this. It essentially gives carte blanche for corporate tyranny. Corporations manipulate our government as if they own it. They've kept an absurd War on Drugs in place, which isn't about the safety of citizens and never has been. It's all for corporate profits. The privatization of our prisons has created a profit incentive to lock people up. We continue to do so via our absurd drug busts. Think of it. You could grow a natural herb on your own property and then get invaded by the Feds and locked up. They could even claim via the Patriot Act that you're in cahoots with terrorists, resulting in your not being allowed a lawyer or any way to fight the charges. That absolutely is our government behaving like a police state. We're not as far down that road as Nazi Germany was, but we've gone way farther down the road than we should.
    And on two occasions throughout the history of the United States, it was actually illegal to say anything which was disrespectful of the government or its leaders. There was the Alien and Sedition Act of 1798, and there was the Sedition and Espionage Act during World War I. Many people were tried and convicted. It was a dark mark on the protections of speech and expression. There was also Japanese internment camps, Watergate, the Palmer Raids, the Red Scare, McCarthyism, etc, etc.

    All of these were egregious violations of our liberties. But, guess what? We got through it, and things got a little better. And as long as we as a society value freedom, things will continue get better, even if there are bumps along the way.

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