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Thread: The march towards a police state continues

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Actually Popeye (Navy); most of the military vets I've spoken with hate the status quo. They were not thrilled with the Bush policies and are not thrilled with the Obama policies. Usually what I get is "We are the aggressors, and nobody can explain why and what we're doing in this God forbidden hell hole."

    I feel like a lot of people tout that "support the troops" slogan, but there needs to be a new one: "Listen to the troops."

    People will wildly go around claiming they support them, but when they speak their minds and it goes against something you believed to be true...well suddenly they are just insubordinate and not worthy of an opinion.

    For this police state claim:

    We're not there, but we're walking the path towards it.

    Police states are usually created by governments who always have to have some sort of enemy. A boogieman (or in our case terrorist) is hiding under all our beds and the government has to make laws for your protection. The last three words in the previous sentence should set off red flags; "for your protection."

    Well, there is a quote in my signature that has been used countless times, but it has merit. In a free society, we should always be wary of the government making any laws for our own safety. Why? Freedom is not safe. It never has been and it never will be. Freedom is risky. Freedom is dangerous especially to those that seek unlimited power.

    I think the one freedom that we need to look at is the rights of due process/habeaus corpus which are suspended if you are even thought to be an enemy combatant. That sets precedent which allows this government, or a future one to round up citizens and detain them indefinitely. That comes straight out of the book of totalitarianism.

    The 2nd amendment issue is a smokescreen to me. They are not to the point of rounding up your weapons. They want to get your attention away from the other measures taken.

    The paranoia of the post 9/11 American public led to power hungry bureaucrats to take control. They are still in control to this day and forget about what political party they belong to. That is of no relevance because both have them.
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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Are you an extremist? Are you a left wing or right wing extremist? Or a left subtleist? Or a semi-right fascist? Why all the labels? How would you label a freedom-loving American who - or better yet - how would you label Thomas Jefferson? Would he fall into any of these labels?
    Well, where DO you get your ideas from ?
    My questions were answered with more questions...
    I some aspects, I may well be an extremist.
    T. Jefferson, according to the powers at that time was probably a rabble-rousing tea-bagger..
    According to history...depend on who you ask...

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    Actually Popeye (Navy); most of the military vets I've spoken with hate the status quo. They were not thrilled with the Bush policies and are not thrilled with the Obama policies. Usually what I get is "We are the aggressors, and nobody can explain why and what we're doing in this God forbidden hell hole."

    I feel like a lot of people tout that "support the troops" slogan, but there needs to be a new one: "Listen to the troops."

    People will wildly go around claiming they support them, but when they speak their minds and it goes against something you believed to be true...well suddenly they are just insubordinate and not worthy of an opinion.

    For this police state claim:

    We're not there, but we're walking the path toward it.

    Police states are usually created by governments who always have to have some sort of enemy. A boogieman (or in our case terrorist) is hiding under all our beds and the government has to make laws for your protection. The last three words in the previous sentence should set off red flags; "for your protection."

    Well, there is a quote in my signature that has been used countless times, but it has merit. In a free society, we should always be wary of the government making any laws for our own safety. Why? Freedom is not safe. It never has been and it never will be. Freedom is risky. Freedom is dangerous especially to those that seek unlimited power.

    I think the one freedom that we need to look at is the rights of due process/habeas corpus which are suspended if you are even thought to be an enemy combatant. That sets precedent which allows this government, or a future one to round up citizens and detain them indefinitely. That comes straight out of the book of totalitarianism.

    The 2nd amendment issue is a smokescreen to me. They are not to the point of rounding up your weapons. They want to get your attention away from the other measures taken.

    The paranoia of the post 9/11 American public led to power hungry bureaucrats to take control. They are still in control to this day and forget about what political party they belong to. That is of no relevance because both have them.
    A good read and I agree in many, if not most aspects.
    Police states can be caused by a lack of people participating...even voting....a minority now.
    "for your protection"? ..YES.. this sets off flags, an uneasiness...and there is so much of this crap today..

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    The good news is the government is running out of money, and police states are expensive.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The good news is the government is running out of money, and police states are expensive.
    As long as The Fed keeps printing money, and our government attacks any country trying to get off the dollar...they will pay for it.

    China is the one country we can do little about and when they decide enough is enough....that will be when chaos ensues here.
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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    The question is, Liberty or security?

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Well, where DO you get your ideas from ?
    My questions were answered with more questions...
    I some aspects, I may well be an extremist.
    T. Jefferson, according to the powers at that time was probably a rabble-rousing tea-bagger..
    According to history...depend on who you ask...
    Here is the sickeningly ironic answer to where I got my ideas - I got them from the American school system, K-12. Probably 4th or 5th grade when we learned about the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They said these were non-negotiable because they protected America from tyrannies. I'll never forget 1976, the bicentennial. At that time, the rogue government we have today was setting up shop, as they had been for decades prior and would continue til present.

    It's quite an operation to covertly hijack a government and takes a very long time. How do you get people whose loyalty is to Israel FIRST to occupy many top positions in the American government? This would have to be done over a long period of time. To create a monopoly of the media is a task that must have cost astronomical sums of money and taken decades to achieve. To get cronies planted in all of the key positions in our judicial system and house of reps - again, this is no small task. That is why in 1976, when I got my ideas, I never fathomed such things would be taking place as they are now. The craziest thing about it though, by far, is how people just don't see it. I know NOTHING about politics, but I see it, and I've been watching it play out since Desert Storm.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Here is the sickeningly ironic answer to where I got my ideas - I got them from the American school system, K-12. Probably 4th or 5th grade when we learned about the Constitution and Bill of Rights. They said these were non-negotiable because they protected America from tyrannies. I'll never forget 1976, the bicentennial. At that time, the rogue government we have today was setting up shop, as they had been for decades prior and would continue til present.

    It's quite an operation to covertly hijack a government and takes a very long time. How do you get people whose loyalty is to Israel FIRST to occupy many top positions in the American government? This would have to be done over a long period of time. To create a monopoly of the media is a task that must have cost astronomical sums of money and taken decades to achieve. To get cronies planted in all of the key positions in our judicial system and house of reps - again, this is no small task. That is why in 1976, when I got my ideas, I never fathomed such things would be taking place as they are now. The craziest thing about it though, by far, is how people just don't see it. I know NOTHING about politics, but I see it, and I've been watching it play out since Desert Storm.
    Are you refering to jews in your comment?

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    That's just another label. I don't even know what a "jew" is. If it's not a nationality or race, what is it - a religion?

    No, what I'm referring to is the apparent role of influence that Israel appears to have within the U.S. government itself. The levels of importance given to things like the needs of Israel, are certainly suspect. For example, one of the foremost issues in the 2012 US presidential debate (if not THE foremost issue) was whether or not the candidate would be in favor of fighting a war for Israel, a nation perfectly capable of defending itself (and with a more than adequate nuclear arsenal of its own), should Israel become involved in a war with Iran, EVEN WHEN IT WAS SPECULATED THAT TO DO SO WOULD MOST LIKELY TRIGGER A THIRD WORLD WAR.

    I find that a little bizarre considering the fact that we are not Israel so why would the US government be so willing to throw American lives around where it is so unnecessary. Again, Israel's military is very capable. Israel plays us like a cheap violin but we let them. So one must ask, why?

    I believe it was Hillary Clinton who said we must stand behind whatever Israel does because they are our "most trusted and dearest ally". Oh really? Tell that to one of the survivors of the USS Liberty attack. If you are familiar with the USS LIBERTY false flag operation, as well as the "dancing Israelis" and exploding truck bombs on 911, you'll find that both events were covered up extensively by the US government. This seems to indicate that Israel is our "go-to" guy for false flag ops....ah, now I get it..."most trusted and dearest ally", but not in a good way that serves the American people.
    Last edited by sKiTzo; 03-03-13 at 02:33 AM.

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    Re: The march towards a police state continues

    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    That's just another label. I don't even know what a "jew" is. If it's not a nationality or race, what is it - a religion?
    Yes, the nationality is referred to as "Israeli". If the country was named Jew, then I suppose the nationality could be "Jewish".


    Quote Originally Posted by sKiTzo View Post
    Israel plays us like a cheap violin but we let them. So one must ask, why?
    Ok, I'll ask... why? Is it because they have the Ark of the Covenant?

    the USS LIBERTY false flag operation
    BS
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