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The march towards a police state continues

Are you in favor of a police state with little or no rights?


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Our Founding Fathers were incredibly naive in that they believed society would remain based on Morality, Values, and the ideals of their day and age. To that end they failed to include the Duties and Responsibilities of the Citizenry along with the Rights and Freedoms afforded to them. Over the past two centuries our society and culture have become devoid of the ideals of that day and age. We have advanced technologically and retreated morally at about the same pace. Personal Responsibility is only the tip of the iceburg.



When the citizenry loses its ability to maintain good order in society, someone must step in and fix the problem. I see no other option beyond the Government to do so.

That's a wise assessment, and true. On the other hand, we wouldn't need somebody to step in and fix the problem if somebody hadn't stepped in and caused the problem.
 
That's a wise assessment, and true. On the other hand, we wouldn't need somebody to step in and fix the problem if somebody hadn't stepped in and caused the problem.

I would suggest that the CAUSE of the problem has been vastly in the hands of the Citizenry. The Government has simply taken advantage of the incompetent, ignorant, and worthless citizenry of this nation to exacerbate the problem. The majority of the mistakes the Government has made have been in response to the lack of morals, values, and personal responsibility of the citizenry, not the other way around. Of course having seen that the Government will step in and "fix" everything for them has led to an even lower expectation of personal responsibility.
 
Then, Tigger, our Founders were wrong in treating the people as adults ?
Maybe they were more responsible back in your day ??
I am leaning to be agreeable with you, but the ways things are now is so-so to OK.

As to the "police state" , as advertised, of course, a NO vote...
Who would be that insane to vote YES ?
Well, I guess nobody has ever stolen your newspaper!:shock::roll:
 
Our Founding Fathers were incredibly naive in that they believed society would remain based on Morality, Values, and the ideals of their day and age. To that end they failed to include the Duties and Responsibilities of the Citizenry along with the Rights and Freedoms afforded to them. Over the past two centuries our society and culture have become devoid of the ideals of that day and age. We have advanced technologically and retreated morally at about the same pace. Personal Responsibility is only the tip of the iceburg.



When the citizenry loses its ability to maintain good order in society, someone must step in and fix the problem. I see no other option beyond the Government to do so.

Wow, I thought all of you conservatives were strict constructionists.
 
Wow, I thought all of you conservatives were strict constructionists.

Nope. Some of us answer to a philosophy and viewpoint that was thousands of years old before the Founding Fathers were even born. A philosophy that simply states "There is Right and there is Wrong. There is nothing else. There are no exceptions." The Founding Fathers got the equation HALF Right, which means they got it Wrong. They expected way too much from the People and in no way made any significant requirement upon them to hold up their end of the bargain that the Constitution represents.
 
Nope. Some of us answer to a philosophy and viewpoint that was thousands of years old before the Founding Fathers were even born. A philosophy that simply states "There is Right and there is Wrong. There is nothing else. There are no exceptions." The Founding Fathers got the equation HALF Right, which means they got it Wrong. They expected way too much from the People and in no way made any significant requirement upon them to hold up their end of the bargain that the Constitution represents.

Back to the origin of the freemasons? They were pagans you know.
 
Back to the origin of the freemasons? They were pagans you know.

Who said anything about the Freemasons or religion as issues in this discussion? Right and Wrong have nothing to do with either one of those things.
 
What's your point? Are you saying that we should ignore the problem and it will go away? We'll just "get past" it somehow?

No, that wasn't my point at all. We should most definitely never ignore the problem.

My point was that this has happened before, and we didn't end up turning into a police state.
 
It's a safer bet that you are a prosemitic antipauligan..

Pro-semitic? Haha. Hardly. I wish we'd bomb the Middle East into a giant glass parking lot. Anti-Pauligan? Anti-stupidity is more fitting.
 
Nope. Some of us answer to a philosophy and viewpoint that was thousands of years old before the Founding Fathers were even born. A philosophy that simply states "There is Right and there is Wrong. There is nothing else. There are no exceptions." The Founding Fathers got the equation HALF Right, which means they got it Wrong. They expected way too much from the People and in no way made any significant requirement upon them to hold up their end of the bargain that the Constitution represents.

Right, and you're the one who decides what's right and what's wrong. No, thanks. I got a four year old that will have sounder advice.
 
Right, and you're the one who decides what's right and what's wrong. No, thanks. I got a four year old that will have sounder advice.

No, I don't get to decide. It was determined thousands of years ago.
 
No, I don't get to decide. It was determined thousands of years ago.

Exactly what was determined (be specific about what is right and what is wrong) and what proof do you have that what you claim is what was determined?
 
No, that wasn't my point at all. We should most definitely never ignore the problem.

My point was that this has happened before, and we didn't end up turning into a police state.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would dare to say that, today, there are many more factors in play. Katrina was used as a martial law dress rehearsal. Most people still don't know that FEMA deliberately delayed the emergency relief effort so that soldiers could go door to door confisgating firearms from citizens. Also, in the past, I don't think the populace was so easily brainwashed into just letting it all happen. Ignorance and negligence runs rampant today. Most of the laws and bills the US has churned out over the last ten to twelve years are so outrageous, I just can't believe that immediate steps were not taken to repeal them and criminally charge those responsible for enacting them. Instead, we put all the same people back into offiice......?
 
Pro-semitic? Haha. Hardly. I wish we'd bomb the Middle East into a giant glass parking lot. Anti-Pauligan? Anti-stupidity is more fitting.

I looked up "anti- semitic" = hating Jews. That requires a low mentality - an immature and childish level of thinking. I'm definitely not that. It's weird to me. How do you pick a group of people to hate and just hate 'em all?

As for the Pauligan/stupidity, I'll guess you mean Ron Paul?
 
Who said anything about the Freemasons or religion as issues in this discussion? Right and Wrong have nothing to do with either one of those things.

It all part of the history you were citing.
 
So they've actually enacted laws preventing you from treating illnesses like cancer? How is that possible?

Oh you can treat it any way you want. You and they could just end up in jail if something squirrely happens. It did once to me and would have gotten me in dire trouble. I had rotator cuff surgery a few years back. My doctor didn't notice on my allergy list that I am allergic to phenergan. So he gave me mepergan fortis for pain. At about 8 p.m. when the nerve block was wearing off and I went to take one I realized what he had done. That one took a written order and couldn't just be called in. So he called in a lesser drug that could be called in to get me throught the night, which it really didn't. Then next day my daughter drove to Nashville and got another written script for just plain demerol without the phenergan. That would have shown up on a report and brought the police to my door and likely the doctor's as well.
 
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