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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That really isn't the problem. People have been making money since money was first coined, and bartered before that. What has happened in this country is that because of our monetary success collectively, and the subsequent easing of lifestyles, people have become bored and life has become meaningless in many cases. This has fed into a sort of collective obsessiveness, and we're becoming shallow, bored, idiots with nothing more important in our lives than electronic gadgets and entertainment. It's not everyone who has become this way, but it is a problem in society. We have become so intellectually and physically lazy, that it's taking its toll. We're excessive with many aspects of our lives. I can outwork men who are half my age, and it's because hard work is ingrained in me mentally and physically. Last week, I dug 15 fence post holes (with a post hole digger), put in 4x4 cedar posts, and mixed and poured the concrete for them myself. I don't know many people (anymore) who would have a clue how to do that, or who would be willing to exert themselves enough to do the job.

    It's been a change in our national psyche, and for all the money and convenience, there's also a downside.

    And do you realize Lizzie that the last two generations don't even know there's something wrong and nothing like we were growing up, busting our butts? That's the real shame that the work ethic alone wasn't even carried down, more less the values, maturity and common sense.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You know what scares me is that I think Obama really believes he's doing the best that can be done. But I see the fundamental flaw in both parties like you do that they're pandering to special interests. I often wonder do they really know how to fix everything and just don't want to or are they that jaded by the process?

    Well, I'm afraid either way there's going to be another moment of crisis because they never did fix the Credit Bubble collapse and have only been delaying the real hard moves.
    Obama is doing some really "undrecedented" things - taking campaigning (his real specialty) to a whole new level.

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    He and his wife remind a little of the Clinton's with the control, sleazy tactics and power mongering but it goes with the job to some degree. Bush and Cheney were no saints. I think he actually cares about the little guy and thinks he's being fair in some bizzaro way but of course justifying too many dirty deeds because it's successful isn't always righteous. There's the world we want and the one we have, now making those two come together,,,,,,,, ain't happening. Like the old saying, "Want to make God laugh? Tell Him your plans."
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    He and his wife remind a little of the Clinton's with the control, sleazy tactics and power mongering but it goes with the job to some degree. Bush and Cheney were no saints. I think he actually cares about the little guy and thinks he's being fair in some bizzaro way but of course justifying too many dirty deeds because it's successful isn't always righteous.
    Well, you know what *they* say.... the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Sadly the attitude described is not an American attitude, but a human one. I was born in Canada but raised in the Great State of Georgia. I have family from Ireland, England, Austria, Denmark, and Italy, and what I have found is that the expectation of everything to be handed to them is not given based on where they are from. I have met many hard working Americans who want nothing handed to them. I have met Europeans, Africans, and Asians who think the same away. I have also met bratty American rat dicks...they also come in a Canadian and British flavor.

    Overall and culturally speaking, I do not think that Americans as a whole are greedier than another group of people. I will say this however. Unlike other culture, we seem to be PROUD of the ones that are. We give them television shows and glamorize them. Now that makes me sick.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, you know what *they* say.... the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    Oh,, I know they love their kids and mean well but in today's PC environment and wanting your kids to be your friends before they're old enough is not wise.

    I was naive as I grew up but eventually when my mind was ready I was more exposed to the adult world. That's how they did it back then and it seemed to work better.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Awahso View Post
    Sadly the attitude described is not an American attitude, but a human one. I was born in Canada but raised in the Great State of Georgia. I have family from Ireland, England, Austria, Denmark, and Italy, and what I have found is that the expectation of everything to be handed to them is not given based on where they are from. I have met many hard working Americans who want nothing handed to them. I have met Europeans, Africans, and Asians who think the same away. I have also met bratty American rat dicks...they also come in a Canadian and British flavor.

    Overall and culturally speaking, I do not think that Americans as a whole are greedier than another group of people. I will say this however. Unlike other culture, we seem to be PROUD of the ones that are. We give them television shows and glamorize them. Now that makes me sick.
    You're right we aren't that special in the world anymore, since modernization/production and the expansion of goods and services. I guess we're still the original materialists who love wealth and celebrate our possessions and status with attitude. Other countries still have the sense to have some modesty....lol
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When I was a kid in the 50s everyone except movie stars and Randolph Hearst lived in modest homes, drove modest cars and took modest vacations. Mom and dad loaded all 4 of us kids in the station wagon with the 16 ft Terry behind us and we went camping. Now you see people in 200K motor homes "camping". Houses are now huge and having a maid to clean it and a gardener to mow the lawn is common. Kids wear $200.00 tennis shoes, I wore PF Fliers. I could go on and on and give example after example but I think you get the point. IMO opinion Americans have become greedy, spoiled,voracious, rapacious consumers and I get sick of hearing people whine about not having enough. We have developed an entitlement mentality, "I am an American and I deserve to have everything I want". Makes me sick.
    Why do you care what other Americans have or not or even what their attitutde is? Whats the point of whining about whiners?
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When I was a kid in the 50s everyone except movie stars and Randolph Hearst lived in modest homes, drove modest cars and took modest vacations. Mom and dad loaded all 4 of us kids in the station wagon with the 16 ft Terry behind us and we went camping. Now you see people in 200K motor homes "camping". Houses are now huge and having a maid to clean it and a gardener to mow the lawn is common. Kids wear $200.00 tennis shoes, I wore PF Fliers. I could go on and on and give example after example but I think you get the point. IMO opinion Americans have become greedy, spoiled,voracious, rapacious consumers and I get sick of hearing people whine about not having enough. We have developed an entitlement mentality, "I am an American and I deserve to have everything I want". Makes me sick.


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    Re: America land of the glutinous

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    Farmers have been trying to recruit from inner city areas that have high unemployment and welfare, they are desperate for workers and Amaricans refuse the jobs.

    "Just raise the wage, you say, and an American would take the job? Not necessarily, and very unlikely if it's a farm job. Farmers have been trying that — for decades. They raise the wage. They recruit in inner cities. They offer housing and transport and countless other benefits. Still, no one shows — or stays on the job, which is outdoors and grueling and must get done, no matter how hot or cold or otherwise unpleasant the weatherare with little or no luck."



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