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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's not even bad at all. We've had rapid consumerism many times before in our history, and indeed, yes, the exact same complaints were raised.
    True. But, has that 'consumerism' trend been enjoyed by so many, on those previous occasions?

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    One more thing to prove my point about this. All these jobs that Americans won't do so we have to let Mexicans come here. A job you WON'T do??? WTF is that about? Are you too good to do manual labor just because you are an American? I don't get it.
    That is just a party talking point. If you look at the statistics you will find that there are no jobs that Americans won't do. Indeed there are not enough illegals in the country to cover all the jobs that they do. The actual real point is that American's won't do those jobs for crap wages.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I worked at a Footlocker in a poor mall when I was younger, it was astounding how many mothers feigned ignorance to how they would pay rent as they bought their children "The new Jordans" which were always $120+

    I knew a lot of poor people growing up, but you couldn't tell it by their children's clothes or iPods or a car at 16.
    Yea, I never did understand the shoe thing. Dishing out so much money that could be better spent on groceries.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That is just a party talking point. If you look at the statistics you will find that there are no jobs that Americans won't do. Indeed there are not enough illegals in the country to cover all the jobs that they do. The actual real point is that American's won't do those jobs for crap wages.
    All I hear from illegal immigrant defenders is they are doing jobs Americans won't do. Alot of that is BS because they are taking construction jobs from Americans but some of it is true because Americans won't do farm labor. If they would there wouldn't be so many people on welfare. Welfare enables lazy ass people to not work jobs they feel are to hard or beneath them.

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All I hear from illegal immigrant defenders is they are doing jobs Americans won't do. Alot of that is BS because they are taking construction jobs from Americans but some of it is true because Americans won't do farm labor. If they would there wouldn't be so many people on welfare. Welfare enables lazy ass people to not work jobs they feel are to hard or beneath them.
    Way too simple of an interpretation of the role welfare plays in society.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Way too simple of an interpretation of the role welfare plays in society.
    It's not completely inaccurate either. Welfare and extended unemployment benefits are suppose to be a safety net, not a another indefinite and alternative income source.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It's not completely inaccurate either. Welfare and extended unemployment benefits are suppose to be a safety net, not a another indefinite and alternative income source.
    Excessive reliance on welfare came about specifically because we started throwing trillions of tax dollars (mostly in public credit) on our foreign policy to allow domestic corporations to develop job-making, wage raising resources and infrastructure abroad while also allowing then selling it back for arbitrarily high prices in exchange for private credit. A bizarre, reckless policy that turned our greatest cultural and economic rival into a superpower in its own right and sent us on the fast track to recline. Looking back on it, I'm not why anyone thought it would work other than the vague promise of some transformation into a service-based economy where neither the training/education or demand for such services existed or could exist.

    Huge unemployment, global recessions, and excessive dependence on welfare are all part of the package of helping rich people do whatever they want with no strings attached. Predictably, they run after their short term goals while assuming somebody else has the bases covered.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Excessive reliance on welfare came about specifically because we started throwing trillions of tax dollars (mostly in public credit) on our foreign policy to allow domestic corporations to develop job-making, wage raising resources and infrastructure abroad while also allowing then selling it back for arbitrarily high princes in exchange for private credit. A bizarre, reckless policy that turned our greatest cultural and economic rival into a superpower in its own right and sent us on the fast track to recline. Looking back on it, I'm not why anyone thought it would work other than the vague promise of some transformation into a service-based economy where neither the training/education or demand for such services existed or could exist.

    Huge unemployment, global recessions, and excessive dependence on welfare are all part of the package.
    It wasn't just domestic corporations but many that started here are international with offices in every major city. Unfortunately free trade was the next market evolution for continued growth. Any country that tries to become an island like Russia and China did, stagnate. Our politicians knew we'd take a hit but we also prospered some from larger trade agreements. I've said it before and will again we're a victim of our own success. We heated up the worlds economy to a pace of unsustainable growth, largely due to excessive credit that came back and bit us when the inevitable defaults started.

    If we don't allow the markets to realize a closer to real value instead of a hyper inflated, nominal one the interest rates are going to go up and cause another crash. They're just kicking the can further and further down the road for now.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    All I hear from illegal immigrant defenders is they are doing jobs Americans won't do. Alot of that is BS because they are taking construction jobs from Americans but some of it is true because Americans won't do farm labor. If they would there wouldn't be so many people on welfare. Welfare enables lazy ass people to not work jobs they feel are to hard or beneath them.
    Sorry but there are over 2 million Americans that do farm work every year. To say that they won't is just simply wrong.

    Also you should note that the people that are on welfare and don't work are a small percentage compared to the amount of people on welfare that DO work.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    There was a point in my life when I could easily hire a maid to clean my bathroom - or buy $200 sneakers. Neither thought had ever occured to me. Nothing against quality footware - it's just that I would rather have books and tools, for the same money. And I am perfectly capable of handling a brush and a Chlorox bottle, whether I make $10/hr or $1000/hr...

    Granted, I may be not a typical upper-middle class American - a first-generation immigrant, as a matter of fact, naturalized in 1988.

    But in all my American experience, I haven't actually met too many native-born Americans who would fit the "greedy little spoiled scum bags" label.

    Mostly I've met decent, hardworking people. Sure, many of them are easy marks for cynical politicians, many of them are pretty ignorant (especially those who think that having some formal education means automatically that they are not), many of them appear to be conditioned to worship the collectivist idols...all true.

    But this is nothing like a truly ruined, mortally wounded society. Trust me, it is not. I've lived there.

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