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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sorry but I'm not going to do all of your homework. You made the claim that the majority of farmhands were illegals. It is up to you to provide the evidence to back up your assertion.
    I provided several links to back up my assertion. I'm still waiting for your raw numbers of Americans that do farm labor as you asserted millions do, I won't hold my breath.

    Here is yet another link to back up my assertion though for your reading enjoyment. Just admit it, you are wrong. No big deal.

    "This year, though, with tough times lingering and a big jump in the minimum wage under the program, to nearly $10.50 an hour, Mr. Harold brought in only two-thirds of his usual contingent. The other positions, he figured, would be snapped up by jobless local residents wanting some extra summer cash.

    “It didn’t take me six hours to realize I’d made a heck of a mistake,” Mr. Harold said, standing in his onion field on a recent afternoon as a crew of workers from Mexico cut the tops off yellow onions and bagged them.

    Six hours was enough, between the 6 a.m. start time and noon lunch break, for the first wave of local workers to quit. Some simply never came back and gave no reason. Twenty-five of them said specifically, according to farm records, that the work was too hard. On the Harold farm, pickers walk the rows alongside a huge harvest vehicle called a mule train, plucking ears of corn and handing them up to workers on the mule who box them and lift the crates, each weighing 45 to 50 pounds.

    “It is not an easy job,” said Kerry Mattics, 49, another H-2A farmer here in Olathe, who brought in only a third of his usual Mexican crew of 12 workers for his 50-acre fruit and vegetable farm, then struggled to make it through the season. “It’s outside, so if it’s wet, you’re wet, and if it’s hot you’re hot,” he said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/us...abor.html?_r=0

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    First off I'm not old, I'm" semi old! I can sum up my OP in one sentence so that maybe you can get it. Ready?

    When I was a kid nobody was ever mugged, stabbed, shot or killed for his pair of PF Fliers.
    LMAO, sorry dude you are OLD!

    When you was a kid you had no clue what happened 20 miles away, much less in some big city. I'll wager a shiny nickle people have been killed for three dollars in their pocket since before you was a gleam in your Daddy's eye. That you don't know what happened in the big city 'back in the day' and can now fixate on 24/7 news and endless bytes of blogger sphere rhetoric isn't the issue here.

    Let me try and explain it to you- EVERY generation thinks the next generation has it too good/is spoiled rotten/has lost touch with the frontiersman/cares too much about 'luxuries'...

    You never listened to your grandpa?

    Back in my day we didn't have GI Joes we had rocks! And we was damn glad to have them! Nobody was mugged for their rocks, I can tell you that! Well ok, there was that Caine/Able thing but they weren't WASPs and you know how THAT kind is....

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    I find it amusing how people here feel like cellphone and internet connections are "luxury items". I wouldn't hire anyone lacking those two essential things (even for a retail gig). As to 'putting' those on welfare to work... So we expect white single mothers (very common), to drive hundreds of miles to work in a field (piece work for under minimum wage) for 10 hours. Drive all the way home on a wage that wouldn't support her children anyway. While also putting her in a position where she would not have the available free time to get her s### together. Get an education, get a real job (at least 60k a year) and finally start contributing back to the system that provided her an opportunity. It continues to amaze me how people fail to see what welfare is for. It isn't just "free" money, there is a social contract component. If they do succeed in life they will contribute more back into the system then they took and in turn help others in need.

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Of course I don't mean everybody, I just see the attitude I speak of in the OP becoming more and more prevalent in our society.
    It seems the problem is that there is such a high demand for instant gratification.

    Gluttony seems to be a side effect if lack of patience

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    I find it amusing how people here feel like cellphone and internet connections are "luxury items". I wouldn't hire anyone lacking those two essential things (even for a retail gig). As to 'putting' those on welfare to work... So we expect white single mothers (very common), to drive hundreds of miles to work in a field (piece work for under minimum wage) for 10 hours. Drive all the way home on a wage that wouldn't support her children anyway. While also putting her in a position where she would not have the available free time to get her s### together. Get an education, get a real job (at least 60k a year) and finally start contributing back to the system that provided her an opportunity. It continues to amaze me how people fail to see what welfare is for. It isn't just "free" money, there is a social contract component. If they do succeed in life they will contribute more back into the system then they took and in turn help others in need.
    The problem is most on welfare don't use their free welfare time to get an education and get a job, they just sit around having more babies and perpetuating the welfare culture and generational cycle. If they had to work they would want a better job for themselves and their kids than being a farm laborer and would get their kids if not themselves educated so they could move up the ladder. That is how it always was in this country pre welfare.

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    LMAO, sorry dude you are OLD!

    When you was a kid you had no clue what happened 20 miles away, much less in some big city. I'll wager a shiny nickle people have been killed for three dollars in their pocket since before you was a gleam in your Daddy's eye. That you don't know what happened in the big city 'back in the day' and can now fixate on 24/7 news and endless bytes of blogger sphere rhetoric isn't the issue here.

    Let me try and explain it to you- EVERY generation thinks the next generation has it too good/is spoiled rotten/has lost touch with the frontiersman/cares too much about 'luxuries'...

    You never listened to your grandpa?

    Back in my day we didn't have GI Joes we had rocks! And we was damn glad to have them! Nobody was mugged for their rocks, I can tell you that! Well ok, there was that Caine/Able thing but they weren't WASPs and you know how THAT kind is....
    Haven't you heard, 60 is the new 40

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Haven't you heard, 60 is the new 40
    That only holds true if you get the 'underhaul'... Ya saying your crankshaft was dropped, turned, and had oversized bearing put in?

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When I was a kid in the 50s everyone except movie stars and Randolph Hearst lived in modest homes, drove modest cars and took modest vacations. Mom and dad loaded all 4 of us kids in the station wagon with the 16 ft Terry behind us and we went camping. Now you see people in 200K motor homes "camping". Houses are now huge and having a maid to clean it and a gardener to mow the lawn is common. Kids wear $200.00 tennis shoes, I wore PF Fliers. I could go on and on and give example after example but I think you get the point. IMO opinion Americans have become greedy, spoiled,voracious, rapacious consumers and I get sick of hearing people whine about not having enough. We have developed an entitlement mentality, "I am an American and I deserve to have everything I want". Makes me sick.
    I voted yes, not for the fact that these things happen, but for the fact that these purchases are made with debt and not earnings.

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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Poll: Have Americans become greedy little spoiled scum bags.
    That would technically be a "No" because we have been for a long time - even when you were a kid.
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    Re: America land of the glutinous

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The problem is all these people on welfare that refuse to take jobs Mexicans come here in droves to fill. When I hear how Americans won't do these jobs I say pull their welfare and they will take these jobs. When I was young I picked apples and planted trees in clear cuts which is almost all done by Mexicans now. I wasn't "too good" to work.
    If you are young now and want to work in the orchard, you should sign up for a Spanish class in school. It's the same with every vocation except plumbing. Young Americans are intimidated by the thought of working hard all day with no one to talk to.

    As far as being material girls and boys, my ideals were conceived during the Hippie years. I'm not materialistic at all. I see this trait in many young people these days. The Apple product squealers just get the media attention. Most young folks aren't like that. I am seeing a bucking trend occuring right before my eyes.

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