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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    How about instead other people stop going in and grabbing up land and stealing their resources? Africa has a massive abundance of natural resources, but can't actually grow their economy- which would lead to there being less births- due to external debt, corrupt governments, and countries (like France) going in on a whim to bomb them.

    EDIT: Also, please tell me how you have the right to tell people if they can or cannot have children?
    They can choose to nationalize everything and then what? Their corrupt government is also, their fault. It is not the Europeans' fault because they invest in Africa and promote their economy. Without foreign investment, they would be a dead-beat nation. It is their government that is wasting their money and destroying their future, not foreign investment.

    Secondly, France is not going on a whim to bomb them. If anything, the French intervention in Mali saved a lot of people from dying or worse.

    Furthermore, this is not about the right of people to have or not have children. this is about the fact that the top 50 nation with the highest rate of growth, that is quite unsustainable, are almost all exclusively african. And that is a problem. If they continue on the path of such a large population growth, they won't solve their problems, but add to them. They need to stop having so many kids if they know whats good for them and if they desire to have some prosperity and start standing on their own two feet. So aside from them being one of the chief sources for the problem of overpopulation, they are also the chief source of their own domestic problems.

    Underdeveloped nations need investment from foreign companies to increase the way of life. The companies that invest in African nations are doing them a service. And it is not all European companies, but Chinesse, Taiwanesse, America, South American and many more.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Both of the world's leading authorities on food distribution, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Food Programme, are very clear: there is more than enough food for everyone on the planet.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    We are not talking about the present.
    Emphasis on "More than enough".

    And we have plenty of arable land to feed the worlds growing population.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Emphasis on "More than enough".

    And we have plenty of arable land to feed the worlds growing population.
    That's why food prices keep dropping?
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    That's why food prices keep dropping?
    Temporary economic/weather conditions do not reflect the long term reality.

    If you want, I can explain the whole thing, but I would need time.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    They can choose to nationalize everything and then what? Their corrupt government is also, their fault. It is not the Europeans' fault because they invest in Africa and promote their economy. Without foreign investment, they would be a dead-beat nation. It is their government that is wasting their money and destroying their future, not foreign investment.

    Secondly, France is not going on a whim to bomb them. If anything, the French intervention in Mali saved a lot of people from dying or worse.

    Furthermore, this is not about the right of people to have or not have children. this is about the fact that the top 50 nation with the highest rate of growth, that is quite unsustainable, are almost all exclusively african. And that is a problem. If they continue on the path of such a large population growth, they won't solve their problems, but add to them. They need to stop having so many kids if they know whats good for them and if they desire to have some prosperity and start standing on their own two feet. So aside from them being one of the chief sources for the problem of overpopulation, they are also the chief source of their own domestic problems.

    Underdeveloped nations need investment from foreign companies to increase the way of life. The companies that invest in African nations are doing them a service. And it is not all European companies, but Chinesse, Taiwanesse, America, South American and many more.

    Wow! That's funny! For some reason I remember that Europe colonized all of Africa and then was forced to leave due to democratic uprisings, but they still had a strangle hold on the economy. (Neo-Colonialism, Subversion in Africa and Global Conflict | nsnbc ́nternational) (http://www.stanford.edu/class/e297a/...n%20Africa.pdf)

    You act like those investments are coming from a place of love and compassion, but it isn't. European nations are grabbing up land in Africa and using it to produce biofuels and GMOS, which prevent food production. (Land acquired over past decade could have produced food for a billion people | Global development | The Guardian) (GRAIN — Land grabbing for biofuels must stop)

    This also hurts employment, something that would give people the ability to, you know, take care of the kids they already have.

    "When not displaced, the conversion of local farmers into laborers holds numerous negative consequences for local populations. Most deals are based on the eventual formation of plantation-style farming, whereupon the investing company will own the land and employ locals as laborers in large-scale agricultural plots. The number of jobs created varies greatly dependent on commodity type and style of farming planned.In spite of this volatility, guarantees of job creation are rarely, if ever, addressed in contracts. This fact, combined with the intrinsic incentives towards mechanization in plantation-style production, can lead to much lower employment than originally planned for." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_grabbing#Employment)

    EDIT: Actually it is about whether or not people have the right to have children, seeing as how that's what the thread is about.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Temporary economic/weather conditions do not reflect the long term reality.

    If you want, I can explain the whole thing, but I would need time.

    So it's weather, economic problems and temporary? We can expect a price drop soon?

    I know there's literally enough land to grow food but the size of the population to feed is causing problems every time there's a drought or financial debacle.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    So it's weather, economic problems and temporary? We can expect a price drop soon?
    "Soon," is a pretty relative term. Possibly, possibly not.

    Today, the Conservation Reserve Program has created a fund to allow farmers to give their farming land "time off" from growing crops. This is done by renting the land from the farmers, so that grass and trees can be planted there instead of crops. This helps prevent soil erosion and encourages wildlife habitats, and reduces sedimentation in streams, lakes and rivers.

    If the situation becomes desperate enough, that could undergo some altercations.

    I know there's literally enough land to grow food but the size of the population to feed is causing problems every time there's a drought or financial debacle.
    True, but there are actions both the US Government and the International Community could undertake that would resolve those issues.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Emphasis on "More than enough".

    And we have plenty of arable land to feed the worlds growing population.
    This is from the United Nations Food and Agricultural Organization - which you cited as being one of the sources that says we have "more than enough food", and it is a projection looking into the future:

    In the first half of this century, global demand for food, feed and fibre is expected to grow by
    70 percent while, increasingly, crops may also be used for bio-energy and other industrial
    purposes. New and traditional demand for agricultural produce will thus put growing pressure
    on already scarce agricultural resources.
    and

    But the fact is that globally the rate of growth in yields of the major cereal crops has been
    steadily declining, it dropped from 3.2 percent per year in 1960 to 1.5 percent in 2000. The
    challenge for technology is to reverse this decline, since a continuous linear increase in
    yields at a global level following the pattern established over the past five decades will not be
    sufficient to meet food needs.
    http://www.fao.org/fileadmin/templat...ld_in_2050.pdf

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    "Soon," is a pretty relative term. Possibly, possibly not.

    Today, the Conservation Reserve Program has created a fund to allow farmers to give their farming land "time off" from growing crops. This is done by renting the land from the farmers, so that grass and trees can be planted there instead of crops. This helps prevent soil erosion and encourages wildlife habitats, and reduces sedimentation in streams, lakes and rivers.

    If the situation becomes desperate enough, that could undergo some altercations.



    True, but there are actions both the US Government and the International Community could undertake that would resolve those issues.
    "Soon" is important in terms of food costs affecting quality of life.

    Ever seen what it takes to feed 7 billion people? It's amazing there's not a bigger problem already.
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