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Thread: is the population bomb real

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I agree. Tell the people in Africa and parts of Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) to have less children.

    Who are the countries that have the highest population problem?
    African countries.

    List of sovereign states and dependent territories by fertility rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Top 50 countries, almost all are exclusively african countries and they can't even be self-sufficient.

    What are the countries that are the lowest? European countries (and western nations in general) and developed Asian countries.

    So lets have all the nations that are in the top 50 half their birth rates and we'll have a steady, sustainable growth and more prosperity all over the place.
    The people with the most children also tend to live in the areas of least consumption. It's not like Africa is a consumption powerhouse. If anything, it produces far more than it's able to consume which again is the least obvious point of the article.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Poor people are poor and rich people are rich because that is the result of constrained resources.
    I don't disagree, but that is not the only cause. A bunch of constraints on resources are man-made and imposed, and it's not wealthy western nations that are imposing them.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    More people is more than just adding a mouth, it is adding more brains and more innovation and possibility to our species. I'm emphatically not a malthusian, I consider myself to be an inspire humanist. I strongly believe (and I think it is quite strongly evidenced) in the ingenuity and capacity of our race to better our standard of living and the human condition in general. One of the greatest achievements of the past century in the long term may prove to be the rise of China, the lifting of hundreds of millions into moderate wealth and the creation of another wing of humanities creativity and genius.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    I agree. Tell the people in Africa and parts of Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) to have less children.

    Who are the countries that have the highest population problem?
    African countries.

    List of sovereign states and dependent territories by fertility rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Top 50 countries, almost all are exclusively african countries and they can't even be self-sufficient.

    What are the countries that are the lowest? European countries (and western nations in general) and developed Asian countries.

    So lets have all the nations that are in the top 50 half their birth rates and we'll have a steady, sustainable growth and more prosperity all over the place.
    You don't have a right to tell people they can or cannot have children.

    Also, let's look at infant mortality rates (the ones at the bottom are the countries with the highest IMRs.)

    List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You don't have a right to tell people they can or cannot have children.

    Also, let's look at infant mortality rates (the ones at the bottom are the countries with the highest IMRs.)

    List of countries by infant mortality rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It still comes up with a huge baby booming. They should stop having so many children and take better care of the ones they have, and many of their problems will be solved.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    It still comes up with a huge baby booming. They should stop having so many children and take better care of the ones they have, and many of their problems will be solved.
    How can they take care of the ones they have when their governments are vastly corrupt and their economies are underdeveloped?

    Side note: Global Land Grab is also having an effect (Foreign Investors Are Buying Up Farmland in Third World - SPIEGEL ONLINE) (Land deals in Africa have led to a wild west) (The Great Land Grab: Rush for World)
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    How can they take care of the ones they have when their governments are vastly corrupt and their economies are underdeveloped?

    Side note: Global Land Grab is also having an effect (Foreign Investors Are Buying Up Farmland in Third World - SPIEGEL ONLINE) (Land deals in Africa have led to a wild west) (The Great Land Grab: Rush for World)
    They can't take care of themselves when they have such large families. Smaller, better focused families with a community oriented mentality is what they need to dig themselves out.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    They can't take care of themselves when they have such large families. Smaller, better focused families with a community oriented mentality is what they need to dig themselves out.
    How about instead other people stop going in and grabbing up land and stealing their resources? Africa has a massive abundance of natural resources, but can't actually grow their economy- which would lead to there being less births- due to external debt, corrupt governments, and countries (like France) going in on a whim to bomb them.

    EDIT: Also, please tell me how you have the right to tell people if they can or cannot have children?
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Not as fast as our life expectancy is increasing, which means population is still growing. This growth may be slowing down but it is still occurring - and it can pose problems. the only reason why the world supports as many people as it does now is due to advances in agriculture which have bought us a little more breathing room.

    We are approaching carrying capacity for the earth, there is not much wiggle room between food supply and demand. We just have to hope technological advances related to agriculture continue to keep pace with the rate of growth, if this does not occur then we will be faced with a population crash, and one not of our choosing.
    Both of the world's leading authorities on food distribution, the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Food Programme, are very clear: there is more than enough food for everyone on the planet.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Regardless, that doesn't mean we have the resources to adequately support 7B people.
    Yes, we do.
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