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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Yep, and its only going to get worse. When the world gets top heavy with "elderly", everything will be worse off.
    So we should make more high consumption people for the jobs that no longer exist because we keep sending them either to other countries or giving them to machines?

    Sacrificing the livability of the planet for the imaginary and temporary relief of the elderly bulge. Genius.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    So we should make more high consumption people for the jobs that no longer exist because we keep sending them either to other countries or giving them to machines?

    Sacrificing the livability of the planet for the imaginary and temporary relief of the elderly bulge. Genius.
    I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    and in an interview with Raw Story said that giving people the right to have as many children as they want is “a bad idea.”
    What a horrible phrase.

    "Giving people the right." We don't need to be given what we already have innately.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Theres no problem with world population at all

    the problem is how we treat eachother, how we treat the planet and our outdated and illogical monetary system and resource usage.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    IMO we have too many people on the planet already and the quality of life is decreasing as population increases.
    I think you are wrong on both counts.

    The more, the merrier.

    Gabon is overpopulated at 13 people per sq.mi., Holland is still underpopulated - in terms of resources available and human potentials idling - at 1,020 per sq.mi. This is not about how many people are there. This is about the level of development of human society. In a society that is functioning reasonably well, most members are engaged in productive activity that creates new "resources" and enhances everyone's well-being (improved environment included). The more people, the more "good stuff" will be made, other things given equall.

    You always can imagine some natural "hard ceiling" for growth determined by exhaustible natural resources (how about: the Sun will exhaust itself eventually), but nobody even has adequate methodical tools to try and predict the break point...

    "The guy who wrote The Population Bomb (Paul Ehrlich) was wrong about approximately everything back then, in 1968, and now he is getting ridiculously wrong, in the face of demographic implosion threatening many countries. The only excuse he has is that in his professional capacity he studies insects. And insects, indeed, tend to suffer from swings of overpopulation and decimation. Insects, however, do not have civilization and human creativity - a fact that somehow escapes the good professor.

    The curret fascistic turn of his "advocacy" should give pause to some naive supporters of iron-fist environmentalism. There was always an ugly undercurrent to these benign-sounding ideas. When Democratic Governor of Colorado and prominent environmentalist Richard Lamm had opined in 1984 that old, ill people have the ecological duty to die and get out of the way, that created quite a stir, although he did not suggest that government should prod them along, in any way or form. But when the same kind of thinking leads to demands of global control and disruption of activities that improve our quality of life - often starting from a very low level - oh, that's the new normal.

    Paul Ehrlich was not obviously wrong on his own terms in 1968. He followed a speculative model that sounded reasonable, if you choose to ignore some parameters. The catastrophic climate change models sound reasonable in the same way. The problems begin when you assume it gives you the right to tell other people how much energy to use, or how many children to have.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    I agree. Tell the people in Africa and parts of Asia (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) to have less children.

    Who are the countries that have the highest population problem?
    African countries.

    List of sovereign states and dependent territories by fertility rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Top 50 countries, almost all are exclusively african countries and they can't even be self-sufficient.

    What are the countries that are the lowest? European countries (and western nations in general) and developed Asian countries.

    So lets have all the nations that are in the top 50 half their birth rates and we'll have a steady, sustainable growth and more prosperity all over the place.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I think you are wrong on both counts.

    The more, the merrier.

    Gabon is overpopulated at 13 people per sq.mi., Holland is still underpopulated - in terms of resources available and human potentials idling - at 1,020 per sq.mi. This is not about how many people are there. This is about the level of development of human society. In a society that is functioning reasonably well, most members are engaged in productive activity that creates new "resources" and enhances everyone's well-being (improved environment included). The more people, the more "good stuff" will be made, other things given equall.

    You always can imagine some natural "hard ceiling" for growth determined by exhaustible natural resources (how about: the Sun will exhaust itself eventually), but nobody even has adequate methodical tools to try and predict the break point...

    "The guy who wrote The Population Bomb (Paul Ehrlich) was wrong about approximately everything back then, in 1968, and now he is getting ridiculously wrong, in the face of demographic implosion threatening many countries. The only excuse he has is that in his professional capacity he studies insects. And insects, indeed, tend to suffer from swings of overpopulation and decimation. Insects, however, do not have civilization and human creativity - a fact that somehow escapes the good professor.

    The curret fascistic turn of his "advocacy" should give pause to some naive supporters of iron-fist environmentalism. There was always an ugly undercurrent to these benign-sounding ideas. When Democratic Governor of Colorado and prominent environmentalist Richard Lamm had opined in 1984 that old, ill people have the ecological duty to die and get out of the way, that created quite a stir, although he did not suggest that government should prod them along, in any way or form. But when the same kind of thinking leads to demands of global control and disruption of activities that improve our quality of life - often starting from a very low level - oh, that's the new normal.

    Paul Ehrlich was not obviously wrong on his own terms in 1968. He followed a speculative model that sounded reasonable, if you choose to ignore some parameters. The catastrophic climate change models sound reasonable in the same way. The problems begin when you assume it gives you the right to tell other people how much energy to use, or how many children to have.
    I disagree but compliment you on a very well thought out rebuttal.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    We need more rich people.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    "To the moon, Alice"--Jakie Gleason, the Honeymooners.

    We don't have a population problem, we have a resource and real estate problem. Solution, "We gotta get outta this place".
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Did you even read the OP?


    "A Stanford professor and author of The Population Bomb recently published a paper in a scientific journal re-emphasizing climate change and population growth pose existential threats to humanity and in an interview with Raw Story said that giving people the right to have as many children as they want is a bad idea.

    Yes I did, but I don't see what my ownviews on AGW have to do with an ouverpopulation crisis.

    But yes, I acknowledge the scientific evidience that indicates that Human activity is having a negative effect on our enviorment.
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