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Thread: is the population bomb real

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, until I really thought about it.
    I didn't think about it at all.

    Knowing what I know now, I really appreciate what I have.
    All my ancestors that lived before me, put a lot more work into getting, what I have come by relatively easily.
    It helped though having a grandparent relate to me stories of how he grew up and how I never had to endure things like that.

    I think most every generation remembers the "good ole days."
    Watching this show about eastern Europe and the fall of the iron curtain.
    A lot or most of the elderly long for the days of communism, even though it was pretty ugly for them.
    You have wisdom beyond your years. It took me 50 of them to learn what you already know.

    Yes, my parents told me how they and their parents grew up (poor and harsh) and I realized how good I have it in comparison.
    And that has only continued to improve with every generation but it can go backwards for gaps of time.
    Look at how advanced the Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek and Roman civilizations were in comparison to the dark ages of Europe that proceeded for the next several centuries.

    I foresee parts of society struggling more than other sectors from what's happening in current events but it could all be smoke and mirrors. There have always been areas of the world that rise and fall.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post

    "A Stanford professor and author of The Population Bomb
    This is Paul Ehrlich, who has been wrong in every prediction that he has ever made. He initially predicted that beginning in the 1970s we'd run out of food and all start starving to death. Later he amended this prediction to the 80s and then the 90s. To date his prediction that people would start dying of starvation to the extent that the global death rate starts to rise dramatically has not come to pass and is not likely to in the foreseeable future. See why this is the case below.

    In point of fact the world's people have never had it so good with a higher proportion than ever having access to clean water and adequate food, clothing and shelter.

    Despite the fact that Ehrlich is a living parody of the genre, a lot of people still love that disaster crap and still take him seriously. This is probably because Ehrlich's solutions to these 'problems' is always for the world to put a lot of power and money into the hands of intellectuals like himself so they can run things.

    But now Ehrlich's predictions are even more absurd than ever because the birth rate in Europe, Russia, China, much of Asia, Japan and North America has gone below the replacement rate, meaning that the population will soon start to fall in those areas. Birth rates in other areas are dropping rapidly and may soon fall below replacement levels.

    As usual, Ehrlich is 40 years behind current events.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You have wisdom beyond your years. It took me 50 of them to learn what you already know.
    Thanks.
    I try to think before I speak, something Confucius teaches.
    Although that doesn't always happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, my parents told me how they and their parents grew up (poor and harsh) and I realized how good I have it in comparison.
    And that has only continued to improve with every generation but it can go backwards for gaps of time.
    Look at how advanced the Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek and Roman civilizations were in comparison to the dark ages of Europe that proceeded for the next several centuries.
    If I remember right, the dark ages were largely dark, because of the governments warring and suppressing people.
    There were still achievements they were just not as open as we would have otherwise had seen.

    I think that during that time, that the Muslim world was making leaps and bounds in terms of knowledge and overall progress.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I foresee parts of society struggling more than other sectors from what's happening in current events but it could all be smoke and mirrors. There have always been areas of the world that rise and fall.
    No doubt there are some bad changes on the horizon, but I think they will, in the end, be good for our future people.
    A more mechanized labor force, will allow more people to use their minds rather than their body for everything.
    A Star Trek type world could develop.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Thanks.
    I try to think before I speak, something Confucius teaches.
    Although that doesn't always happen.



    If I remember right, the dark ages were largely dark, because of the governments warring and suppressing people.
    There were still achievements they were just not as open as we would have otherwise had seen.

    I think that during that time, that the Muslim world was making leaps and bounds in terms of knowledge and overall progress.



    No doubt there are some bad changes on the horizon, but I think they will, in the end, be good for our future people.
    A more mechanized labor force, will allow more people to use their minds rather than their body for everything.
    A Star Trek type world could develop.


    You're correct, while Europe was suffering a feudal system and religious reforms other parts of the world were advancing.

    I think we're in the beginning stages of a Star Trek world with the computer glasses from Google, invisible cloaks, particle physics, stealth tech and other modern breakthroughs. Fixing many of the social and economic ills of this generation will be a final hurdle for humans too make before we are really able to focus our collective wills and intellects on advancements that will take us into other worlds.

    Hopefully there will be voices of reason and compromise who can separate the diatribe and extremist ideology out of today's minds.
    Last edited by grip; 03-02-13 at 10:29 PM.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Your correct, while Europe was suffering a feudal system and religious reforms other parts of the world were advancing.

    I think we're in the beginning stages of a Star Trek world with the computer glasses from Google, invisible cloaks, particle physics, stealth tech and other modern breakthroughs. Fixing many of the social and economic ills of this generation will be a final hurdle for humans too make before we are really able to focus our collective wills and intellects on advancements that will take us into other worlds.

    Hopefully there will be voices of reason and compromise who can separate the diatribe and extremist ideology out of today's minds.
    Well, for me, I'm fine with communism as long as it develops through technological advancement, rather than by force.
    Right now, things like replicators are sci fi, but then again they aren't, as we can see with the advent of the 3d printer.
    It's what I'd call a first stage replicator.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Well, for me, I'm fine with communism as long as it develops through technological advancement, rather than by force.
    Right now, things like replicators are sci fi, but then again they aren't, as we can see with the advent of the 3d printer.
    It's what I'd call a first stage replicator.
    I don't think we'll reach communism but rather a more unified existence based on modernism, where old ideas of conflict based on cultural differences and struggling for resources are mostly resolved. It almost has to happen for society to continue to prosper in an increasingly technical existence or face huge reverses in growth and production.

    I expect a huge breakthrough in particle physics could change our problems with resource availability perfecting a replicator.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't think we'll reach communism but rather a more unified existence based on modernism, where old ideas of conflict based on cultural differences and struggling for resources are mostly resolved. It almost has to happen for society to continue to prosper in an increasingly technical existence or face huge reverses in growth and production.

    I expect a huge breakthrough in particle physics could change our problems with resource availability perfecting a replicator.
    That's why I want to be frozen.
    I want to be able to see and live this future.
    Plus space ships.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    What a horrible phrase.

    "Giving people the right." We don't need to be given what we already have innately.
    One of only two "natural rights". The other is the right to attempt to survive.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post

    As usual, Ehrlich is 40 years behind current events.
    Hell, people still earnestly quote Malthus.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Kill all the old people then?
    J/k but then again I'm not.

    The elderly are the new dependent class.
    Kill me!

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