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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Different people have different ideas on what overpopulation means. You are in the "if you can feed them there isn't to many" camp. I am in the "we are not leaving enough room for other species and we need wide open spaces camp". I like going hunting, fishing, hiking and seeing pristine nature, you like going to ball games and the opera, it's yin and yang.
    You're good, man. We are nowhere near running out of room for that.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You're good, man. We are nowhere near running out of room for that.
    You have to get a permit and get on a waiting list to backpack in the Sierras now. Wolves are being shot from helicopters because there is not enough room for them and us both. Most fishing is now catch and release. I could go on but you should get my point by now.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have to get a permit and get on a waiting list to backpack in the Sierras now. Wolves are being shot from helicopters because there is not enough room for them and us both. Most fishing is now catch and release. I could go on but you should get my point by now.
    No, I don't. We are nowhere near crowding out wilderness areas. Even in highly developed regions like Europe the majority of the landscape is undeveloped.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, I don't. We are nowhere near crowding out wilderness areas. Even in highly developed regions like Europe the majority of the landscape is undeveloped.
    The reason these wolves are being killed is because there are so many people competing for the elk.

    COEUR d'ALENE - United States Department of Agriculture Wildlife Services agents shot and killed 14 North Idaho wolves from a helicopter earlier this month, the Idaho Fish and Game Department announced.The initial target of the control action was to remove 40 to 50 wolves."

    14 wolves killed from helicopter - Coeur d'Alene Press: Local News


    The reason the last few elephants in this region are being killed is there are so many people and not enough open space left for elephants.

    "Experts also expect that a herd of 15 elephants in southern Vietnam will soon be wiped out. In February, venturing out of a “protected” forest in Dong Nai Province, the hungry elephants tore through cornfields, sweet potato patches and sugar cane fields. Farmers ran in terror."

    The Slaughter of Elephants in Vietnam Is Nearly Complete - NYTimes.com

    Then there is the Bengal Tiger in India.

    "Large-scale habitat destruction and decimation of prey populations are the major long-term threats to the existence of the dwindling tiger population in the country.

    Less than a hundred years ago, tigers prowled all across India and the sub-continent. But growing human populations, particularly since the 1940s, have contracted and fragmented the tiger's former range. Although extensive habitat is available in some landscapes, agriculture, clearing of forests for development - especially road networks, hydel projects are forcing tigers into small and scattered islands of remaining habitat. Tigers need large territories. And along with habitat, tigers have also suffered a severe loss of natural prey populations – in particular ungulates such as deer and antelopes.


    WWF India - Royal Bengal Tiger


    NOW do you get it?

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The reason these wolves are being killed is because there are so many people competing for the elk.
    So? So we like to kill off elk, and we are so good at it, we get to kill off wolves, too. That's not a population issue - we aren't killing off elk to feed our many numbers. We are doing it for fun. It's a sports issue, for crying out loud.

    3% of the surface of the Earth is urban. We are nowhere near a population bomb scenario where billions of people starve to death from lack of resources.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So? So we like to kill off elk, and we are so good at it, we get to kill off wolves, too. That's not a population issue - we aren't killing off elk to feed our many numbers. We are doing it for fun. It's a sports issue, for crying out loud.

    3% of the surface of the Earth is urban. We are nowhere near a population bomb scenario where billions of people starve to death from lack of resources.
    Like I said yin and yang.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Like I said yin and yang.
    the question of the thread is "is the population bomb real". the unequivocal answer is "no". the only "population bomb" we have to worry about is the effects of us not producing enough children, not too many.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You have to get a permit and get on a waiting list to backpack in the Sierras now. Wolves are being shot from helicopters because there is not enough room for them and us both. Most fishing is now catch and release. I could go on but you should get my point by now.
    The blue pike are gone from lake erie. Road rage, mass shootings, keep off the grass signs popping up everywhere, disposable underwear, dead skunk in the middle of the road, beaver attacks in the suburbs, serial murderes, child molesters, stop signs on every ****ing street corner, fast food gluttony, pedofile priests, slapping flesh in the penn state shower rooms, ask your doctor, sue a drug company, lady gaga blow up dolls, Barbi with an ak 47, screaming whiney kids at wal-mart, flatuence, equals contempory insanity.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Different people have different ideas on what overpopulation means. You are in the "if you can feed them there isn't to many" camp. I am in the "we are not leaving enough room for other species and we need wide open spaces camp". I like going hunting, fishing, hiking and seeing pristine nature, you like going to ball games and the opera, it's yin and yang.
    I don't hunt or fish, but I agree that a good quality of life requires keeping natural diversity, which requires large amounts of land and water that is not dominated by humans.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I don't hunt or fish, but I agree that a good quality of life requires keeping natural diversity, which requires large amounts of land and water that is not dominated by humans.
    Thank you, sometimes I feel like the Lone Ranger on this issue.

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