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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I don't think there's an overpopulation problem. I do however think we need to be smarter wrt natural resources. Doing r&d in developing fresh water should be given a high priority. Just off the top it might be a good idea to start having building codes require rain water capture systems. I think we need to find a way to desalinize sea water easier and less expensively. My city is moving toward using reclaimed water (purified sewage water basically) for purposes that don't involve human consumption or bathing. I highly suspect once hydrogen power gives big, the "pollution" it creates, distilled water vapor will be captured and used to help meet the growing population's water supply.
    What do you mean by the bold?

    I can see hydroponics get bigger as a way to produce food indoors in any climate.
    Like desalinization and hydrogen power that you mentioned above, hydroponics is also energy intensive. In this case it's energy-intensive because you have to isolate nutrients and pump them into water to then feed to the plants. Hydroponics is cool, for now, especially where space is cramped like in cities, but much beyond that and into the future, there's nothing particularly promising about it as a way to sustain a huge population. You have you look at how many calories of energy it takes to create a calorie of energy (aka the EROEI -- energy returned on energy invested). When that ratio is very close to one, much less at 1 or below one, its promise to sustain a huge population in the future is zero.

    I think longer term subterranean population centers (underground cities) could become popular if we start running out of land.
    We'll much sooner run out of fuel, including the massive amounts of fuel we'd need to be able to dig out subterranean centers.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    The world is not overpopulated today, any more than it was in Malthus' day. the Malthusians (neo and non) have constantly been proven wildly incorrect. Furthermore, (as noted by several others on this thread), the relevant problem in demographics is not whether or not we are headed towards a population bomb, but how to deal with the inevitable demographic decline of the West.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Do you believe the global economy we have today would support 7+ billion people when oil is much scarcer/more expensive?
    Necessity is the mother of invention. Of course there will be conflict, and disputes.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    Necessity is the mother of invention.
    Energy can't be invented from nothing. It has to be derived from something. We've binged on oil for the century and a half since we discovered it and watched our population almost quadruple. I do not see this as coincidence.

    I wonder how many people you think can be sustained in a world without relatively inexpensive/abundant oil-based fuels.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Energy can't be invented from nothing. It has to be derived from something. We've binged on oil for the century and a half since we discovered it and watched our population almost quadruple. I do not see this as coincidence.

    I wonder how many people you think can be sustained in a world without relatively inexpensive/abundant oil-based fuels.
    I'm not talking about a new energy source. I'm talking about different ways for some the sources we already have.
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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The world is not overpopulated today, any more than it was in Malthus' day. the Malthusians (neo and non) have constantly been proven wildly incorrect. Furthermore, (as noted by several others on this thread), the relevant problem in demographics is not whether or not we are headed towards a population bomb, but how to deal with the inevitable demographic decline of the West.
    Different people have different ideas on what overpopulation means. You are in the "if you can feed them there isn't to many" camp. I am in the "we are not leaving enough room for other species and we need wide open spaces camp". I like going hunting, fishing, hiking and seeing pristine nature, you like going to ball games and the opera, it's yin and yang.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    2% of the people feed the other 98% of people. I am not sure what I think about that, but it is scary no matter which way I look at it.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    If global warming will be as bad as some fear it will...then yes, the planet is in trouble.

    If not...probably not (from overpopulation anyway).

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    A hard penis has no conscience.

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    Re: is the population bomb real

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Poor people are poor and rich people are rich because that is the result of constrained resources.
    In other words, it doesn't have to do with personal ability and the disire of self improvement or government nepotism and cronyism as well of other fctors of the regulatory State.
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