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Universal background checks

Do you support universal background checks?

  • Total voters
    104
Catawba said:
Its not a wonder you are sure, since this survey was paid for by the NRA. Couldn't find any credible national polls that back up your claim eh! Imagine that!
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It must suck to be so predictable...it would appear a 'non-NRA' organization also has issues with the current UBC legislation...the ACLU no less.

ACLU: Reid gun bill could threaten privacy, civil liberties | The Daily Caller

Upon casual review their concerns seem legitimate. Even you should support this; "we also believe those checks have to be conducted in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties." Once the often claimed '90% supporters' realize what the legislation proposes I expect it to fail...

but you keep dreaming...;)
 
TurtleDude said:
I think those who support those laws are either ignorant, dishonest or stupid
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Thank you for sharing your opinion of 85% of gun owners. I'm sure the respect is mutual!
 
Dickieboy said:
It must suck to be so predictable...it would appear a 'non-NRA' organization also has issues with the current UBC legislation...the ACLU no less.

ACLU: Reid gun bill could threaten privacy, civil liberties | The Daily Caller

Upon casual review their concerns seem legitimate. Even you should support this; "we also believe those checks have to be conducted in a way that protects privacy and civil liberties." Once the often claimed '90% supporters' realize what the legislation proposes I expect it to fail...

but you keep dreaming...;)
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Let's see the unspun version from the ACLU website......
 
Catawba said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion of 85% of gun owners. I'm sure the respect is mutual!
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thank you for constantly quoting silly polls rather than being able to proffer a rational argument about why another stupid law that won't be enforced will do any good other than make you feel like you have accomplished something and you have harassed honest people
 
Catawba said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion of 85% of gun owners. I'm sure the respect is mutual!
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When 85% of the population supported slavery, did that make slavery right?
 
Catawba said:
Let's see the unspun version from the ACLU website......
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Showing your predictability again I see...didn't read the link...how does one 'spin' an interview with an ACLU employee (Chris Calabrese) especially considering the article quotes his direct statements precisely?

BTW, about how pissed off are you going to be when UBC's isn't passed?...:lamo
 
TurtleDude said:
thank you for constantly quoting silly polls rather than being able to proffer a rational argument about why another stupid law that won't be enforced will do any good other than make you feel like you have accomplished something and you have harassed honest people
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The rational argument has been made for background checks for gun sales, and everyone agrees except the far right. 85% of gun owners support BGC because they know it doesn't stop them from buying guns.
 
Dickieboy said:
Showing your predictability again I see...didn't read the link...how does one 'spin' an interview with an ACLU employee (Chris Calabrese) especially considering the article quotes his direct statements precisely?
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"The ACLU does not oppose universal background checks, or even a ban on the proposed firearms and magazines, but they are against the establishment of a federal government database containing private citizens who own firearms. The pro gun-control mainstream media outlets have portrayed this concern as a conservative case of paranoia, but coincidentally, the ACLU doesn’t trust the government with this information either.

The bill does not technically, or so the Democrats claim, establish such a database immediately."

BTW, about how pissed off are you going to be when UBC's isn't passed?...:lamo
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if it doesn't pass we will know who voted against it, and we will work on getting representatives elected that will carry out the will of the people.
 
TurtleDude said:
the vast majority of people are unaware of the fact that the laws you drool over have no chance in decreasing crime and they are unaware of the fact that the brady bill-despite stopping allegedly 1.9 million sales did ZERO to decrease violent or gun crime and resulted in less than 300 prosecutions

if the public knew that the Government has no intention of actually enforcing the law, I doubt so many would share your orgasmic glee over the prospect of the stupid law being passed
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It seems that for many on the more extreme fringes of the far wrong, it is the stupid laws in and of themselves that are the point, and not any good that they think these laws might accomplish. The idea of “doing something” about a problem, even when that which is being done has no plausible possibility of actually mitigating the problem that it purports to address.
 
Catawba said:
Thank you for sharing your opinion of 85% of gun owners. I'm sure the respect is mutual!
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You are the one who is insulting 85% of gun owners, by spreading the lie that they would support the stupidity which you are defending.

It is a flat-out lie—and you know very well that it is— that 85% of Americans in general, much less 85% of gun owners, are stupid enough to support these “universal background checks”. You insult Americans in general, and gun owners in particular, by continuing to spread this lie.
 
Catawba said:
"The ACLU does not oppose universal background checks, or even a ban on the proposed firearms and magazines, but they are against the establishment of a federal government database containing private citizens who own firearms. The pro gun-control mainstream media outlets have portrayed this concern as a conservative case of paranoia, but coincidentally, the ACLU doesn’t trust the government with this information either.

The bill does not technically, or so the Democrats claim, establish such a database immediately."
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Because the excerpt you posted above is not a direct Calabrese quote it must be 'spin'...that you previously derailed...confused on how it was bad but now is good...?


if it doesn't pass we will know who voted against it, and we will work on getting representatives elected that will carry out the will of the people.
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AH, ok...good luck with that!
 
Bob Blaylock said:
You are the one who is insulting 85% of gun owners, by spreading the lie that they would support the stupidity which you are defending.

It is a flat-out lie—and you know very well that it is— that 85% of Americans in general, much less 85% of gun owners, are stupid enough to support these “universal background checks”. You insult Americans in general, and gun owners in particular, by continuing to spread this lie.
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Pew Research Center - "While gun owners, unlike the public at large, oppose gun control measures such as banning assault-style weapons, a big majority of gun owners (85%) support making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks. That matches the level of support among the general public for doing this."

Most Gun Owners Favor Background Checks for Private Gun Sales | Pew Research Center
 
Catawba said:
Pew Research Center - "While gun owners, unlike the public at large, oppose gun control measures such as banning assault-style weapons, a big majority of gun owners (85%) support making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks. That matches the level of support among the general public for doing this."

Most Gun Owners Favor Background Checks for Private Gun Sales | Pew Research Center
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Are you making the argument that a policy supported by the majority is necessarily ethical?
 
Big shock!

ACLU Opposes Universal Background Checks

Does this shock you? It sure does me!

As Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) works with other Senate Democrats to find a way to push their gun control package through, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) is warning that universal background checks pose a threat to individual privacy and could lead to firearm registration.
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Read more @ ACLU Opposes Universal Background Checks
 
longknife said:
Big shock!

ACLU Opposes Universal Background Checks

Does this shock you? It sure does me!
Read more @ ACLU Opposes Universal Background Checks
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You Breitbart story was already debunked.


Catawba said:
"The ACLU does not oppose universal background checks, or even a ban on the proposed firearms and magazines, but they are against the establishment of a federal government database containing private citizens who own firearms. The pro gun-control mainstream media outlets have portrayed this concern as a conservative case of paranoia, but coincidentally, the ACLU doesn’t trust the government with this information either.

The bill does not technically, or so the Democrats claim, establish such a database immediately."
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Dem, GOP senators work on background check deal for gun legislation

"Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Penn.) are negotiating an agreement that could expand background checks on gun sales to include gun shows. A deal would serve as a major breakthrough for gun-control legislation being pushed by President Obama."

"With the Senate returning Monday from a two-week recess, the chamber’s debate on gun control legislation could begin as soon as Tuesday, though it might be delayed if the lawmakers need more time to complete a deal, the aides said.

The potential deal, which aides cautioned still might change, would exempt transactions between relatives and temporary transfers for hunters and sportsmen, they said.

Manchin is a moderate who touts an A rating from the National Rifle Association, which has opposed Obama’s gun control drive. Toomey has solid conservative credentials and was elected to the Senate two years ago with tea party support from his Democratic-leaning state."

Read more: Dem, GOP senators work on background check deal for gun legislation - NY Daily News
 
Catawba said:
Dem, GOP senators work on background check deal for gun legislation

"Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Penn.) are negotiating an agreement that could expand background checks on gun sales to include gun shows. A deal would serve as a major breakthrough for gun-control legislation being pushed by President Obama."

"With the Senate returning Monday from a two-week recess, the chamber’s debate on gun control legislation could begin as soon as Tuesday, though it might be delayed if the lawmakers need more time to complete a deal, the aides said.

The potential deal, which aides cautioned still might change, would exempt transactions between relatives and temporary transfers for hunters and sportsmen, they said.

Manchin is a moderate who touts an A rating from the National Rifle Association, which has opposed Obama’s gun control drive. Toomey has solid conservative credentials and was elected to the Senate two years ago with tea party support from his Democratic-leaning state."

Read more: Dem, GOP senators work on background check deal*for gun legislation - NY Daily News
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so tell us-does the government plan on enforcing this law at a rate higher than the less than one tenth of one percent rate for current background checks
 
TurtleDude said:
so tell us-does the government plan on enforcing this law at a rate higher than the less than one tenth of one percent rate for current background checks
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Your numbers are right wing mythology, and obviously you've not seen the new executive orders from the President.

Executive Orders On Gun Control: Obama Will Enforce Existing Laws

Executive Orders On Gun Control: Obama Will Enforce Existing Laws

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President - Forbes
 
Catawba said:
Your numbers are right wing mythology, and obviously you've not seen the new executive orders from the President.

Executive Orders On Gun Control: Obama Will Enforce Existing Laws

Executive Orders On Gun Control: Obama Will Enforce Existing Laws

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President - Forbes
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Gun Policy: 45% Approve, 52% Disapprove

CNN poll that says Obama is losing.....just like the CBS poll. Not even Obama can change those numbers, no matter how much he lies about that majority.

Also you forgot that Biden stated they, meaning the Fed doesn't have time to prosecute cases for Background checks.

Obama Loses once again!!!!! :lol:
 
Catawba said:
Pew Research Center - "While gun owners, unlike the public at large, oppose gun control measures such as banning assault-style weapons, a big majority of gun owners (85%) support making private gun sales and sales at gun shows subject to background checks. That matches the level of support among the general public for doing this."

Most Gun Owners Favor Background Checks for Private Gun Sales | Pew Research Center
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If 85% of the emails,letters, phone calls and faxes regarding gun issues did tell elected offcials to support universal background checks and other anti-2nd amendment schemes then they would have already passed those things already. Politcians love their job, they are not going to risk losing their job.
 
MMC said:
Gun Policy: 45% Approve, 52% Disapprove

CNN poll that says Obama is losing.....just like the CBS poll. Not even Obama can change those numbers, no matter how much he lies about that majority.

Also you forgot that Biden stated they, meaning the Fed doesn't have time to prosecute cases for Background checks.

Obama Loses once again!!!!! :lol:
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I don't approve of the way the president is handling the proposed gun safety laws either. He should have been taking a more active and forceful role.

That doesn't change the fact, as shown by all the polls, that the great majority of Americans don't want background checks:

Daily Kos: Yet more polls show Americans strongly support background checks. Will NRA lobbyists trump them?

You said the President's approval rating is 45%, which we'll go with here, even though you didn't provide a link and I've seen other polls that showed him getting a bump this month and moving up to 51%.

But even at your number, the President is still receiving an approval rating 3 times as high as the approval ratings for congress -

"This month's approval rating is on par with last year's average of 15 percent, which was the lowest yearly average registered since Gallup began asking the question way back in 1974."

Gallup-Congressional Approval Rating: Americans continue to give lawmakers low marks.
 
jamesrage said:
If 85% of the emails,letters, phone calls and faxes regarding gun issues did tell elected offcials to support universal background checks and other anti-2nd amendment schemes then they would have already passed those things already. Politcians love their job, they are not going to risk losing their job.
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So it is your opinion that money has no influence on Congress?
 
Catawba said:
So it is your opinion that money has no influence on Congress?
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I haven't said anything about money.Its my opinion that enough angry voters do have significant influence over their elected officials. If most of the emails,faxes, letters and phone calls are telling them to oppose what ever anti-2nd amendment legislation Obama is proposing then that is what they are going to do. Which is why most of the elected officials in pro-2nd amendment states are opposing any anti-2nd amendment legislation. If most of the emails,faxes, letters and phone calls are telling them to support what anti-2nd amendment legislation Obama is proposing then that is what they will do. Which is why elected officials in anti-2nd amendment states are supporting any anti-2nd amendment legislation Obama is proposing.
 
Catawba said:
Your numbers are right wing mythology, and obviously you've not seen the new executive orders from the President.

Executive Orders On Gun Control: Obama Will Enforce Existing Laws

Executive Orders On Gun Control: Obama Will Enforce Existing Laws

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President

Here Are The 23 Executive Orders On Gun Safety Signed Today By The President - Forbes
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Yay! Using the Executive Order to write legislation! Go power of the King, go!
 
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