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Universal background checks

Do you support universal background checks?


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Are you kidding me? Gun manufacturers would like gun resales to be harder (and much more expensive), as it helps them sell more new guns. ;)

Looks like you are **** out of luck then! :cool:
 
We will see if that is a legitimate argument if it is brought in the debate this month in Congress. My guess is that it won't be.

Let me ask you a simple question. If current law is not being enforced, what makes you think new ones will be? Criminals are not stupid when it comes to acquiring weapons (for the most part) and will continue to acquire them illegally no mater what laws are passed...
 
We will see if that is a legitimate argument if it is brought in the debate this month in Congress. My guess is that it won't be.

Your guess will be wrong.

Graham: Background-Check Bill ‘Going Nowhere’

“The current system is broken,” he said. “Why in the world would you expand that system if you’re not enforcing the law that exists today to include private transfers? So I think that legislation is going nowhere, but I’d like to have a robust debate about improving the system.”
 
Let me ask you a simple question. If current law is not being enforced, what makes you think new ones will be? Criminals are not stupid when it comes to acquiring weapons (for the most part) and will continue to acquire them illegally no mater what laws are passed...

I have no reason to believe the law you refer to is not being enforced. The point of those in the industry as well of mayors and police across the country is that private sellers fall in between the laws you speak of.

The purpose of the ending the gun show loophole in 40 states is to make it more difficult and expensive for criminals and the mentally deranged to get their guns than simply going to their neighborhood gun show next weekend and buying a gun for cash, no questions asked.
 
Graham is your barometer of the Senate eh? :lamo

:roll: Don't you think that maybe just maybe that if he is bringing this up publicly that he is also going to bring it up in the Senate? He is after all a Senator in our Senate after all.

I know...sucks when your house of cards fall doesn't it?
 
:roll: Don't you think that maybe just maybe that if he is bringing this up publicly that he is also going to bring it up in the Senate? He is after all a Senator in our Senate after all.

I know...sucks when your house of cards fall doesn't it?


So, you've decided the outcome before the Senate debate even begins?
 
I have no reason to believe the law you refer to is not being enforced. The point of those in the industry as well of mayors and police across the country is that private sellers fall in between the laws you speak of.

This said right after a post that shows a senator agreeing that the laws are not being enforced and even gives examples directly related (in fact the SAME) to background checks. :roll:

The purpose of the ending the gun show loophole in 40 states is to make it more difficult and expensive for criminals and the mentally deranged to get their guns than simply going to their neighborhood gun show next weekend and buying a gun for cash, no questions asked.

1: It won't make it more expensive. There is absolutely no way to enforce a background check on private sellers. Unless you combine it with gun registration...Good luck passing that one AND getting it past SCOTUS as that is an obvious infringement on our right to privacy.

2: Even IF background checks were enforceable it will not stop..or even reduce..criminals from getting ahold of guns. There is an entire black market out there centered exclusively around the illegal sale of guns. Most of those guns being either stolen or brought into the US from outside the country. (and if 1 million illegal aliens slip through our border every year i'm pretty sure that people can get guns through) Of course..criminals can still just go out and steal the gun themselves if they wish to...which alot of them do.

3: As anyone with half a brain will note background checks will not stop mentally ill folks from getting ahold of a gun either. None of the guns that Lanza used were obtained by Lanza legally. He stole them all. That should be ample proof that mentally ill folks will still get ahold of guns. Of course gun grabbers love to ignore that part of what happened in Conn.
 
Let me ask you a simple question. If current law is not being enforced, what makes you think new ones will be? Criminals are not stupid when it comes to acquiring weapons (for the most part) and will continue to acquire them illegally no mater what laws are passed...

What makes you think the current laws are not being enforced? Criminals and the mentally ill can STILL buy guns LEGALLY at gun shows, online from personal dealers and in person from personal dealers. THAT'S what the new gun laws want to close.
 
What makes you think the current laws are not being enforced? Criminals and the mentally ill can STILL buy guns LEGALLY at gun shows, online from personal dealers and in person from personal dealers. THAT'S what the new gun laws want to close.

After only four or five responses on different threads, it didn't take me long to realize you're too stupid (not ignorant) on which to waste keystrokes as you can't seem to comprehend the simplest of concepts...
 
So, you've decided the outcome before the Senate debate even begins?

Again with the moving of the goal posts. :roll: Do you ever debate honestly?

The discussion was talking about what was going to be brought up in the debate in the Senate were you doubted that the current laws are not being enforced would be brought up. The discussion was not what the out come of the Senate debate was going to be on this subject.

Think I'll start calling you "haymarket clone" or "haymarkets double", or maybe just plain "haymarket".
 
After only four or five responses on different threads, it didn't take me long to realize you're too stupid (not ignorant) on which to waste keystrokes as you can't seem to comprehend the simplest of concepts...

Ah, so you are here to spread the continued NRA lies about we have gun laws in place to PREVENT criminals from getting them and that we don't need anymore.

Without your ability to provide facts of your thoughts, you are nothing really to talk with either, as you will sing the praises of the gun corporations. Oh, BTW, you DO know your gun corporations raised the price of bullets on you and not the President, right?
 
Again with the moving of the goal posts. :roll: Do you ever debate honestly?

The discussion was talking about what was going to be brought up in the debate in the Senate were you doubted that the current laws are not being enforced would be brought up. The discussion was not what the out come of the Senate debate was going to be on this subject.

Think I'll start calling you "haymarket clone" or "haymarkets double", or maybe just plain "haymarket".


Why not just answer his question?
 
This said right after a post that shows a senator agreeing that the laws are not being enforced and even gives examples directly related (in fact the SAME) to background checks. :roll:

Only the far right consider Graham to know more than law enforcement.


1: It won't make it more expensive. There is absolutely no way to enforce a background check on private sellers. Unless you combine it with gun registration...Good luck passing that one AND getting it past SCOTUS as that is an obvious infringement on our right to privacy.

It will be enforced at gun shows the same way it is enforced for FFL dealers at gun shows, and that doesn't include registration.

2: Even IF background checks were enforceable it will not stop..or even reduce..criminals from getting ahold of guns. There is an entire black market out there centered exclusively around the illegal sale of guns. Most of those guns being either stolen or brought into the US from outside the country. (and if 1 million illegal aliens slip through our border every year i'm pretty sure that people can get guns through) Of course..criminals can still just go out and steal the gun themselves if they wish to...which alot of them do.

It will make more difficult and expensive for criminals and the mentally deranged to purchase guns than simply going to their neighborhood gun show next weekend.

3: As anyone with half a brain will note background checks will not stop mentally ill folks from getting ahold of a gun either. None of the guns that Lanza used were obtained by Lanza legally. He stole them all. That should be ample proof that mentally ill folks will still get ahold of guns. Of course gun grabbers love to ignore that part of what happened in Conn.

90% of the country and 85% of gun owners support making it harder and more expensive for those that can't pass a background check to buy guns.
 
Only the far right consider Graham to know more than law enforcement.

Oey vey. :roll:


It will be enforced at gun shows the same way it is enforced for FFL dealers at gun shows, and that doesn't include registration.

How is it going to be enforced on a private seller if they are not at a gun show?

It will make more difficult and expensive for criminals and the mentally deranged to purchase guns than simply going to their neighborhood gun show next weekend.

No, it won't. I've already explained how and why. A stolen gun isn't exactly expensive ya know.

90% of the country and 85% of gun owners support making it harder and more expensive for those that can't pass a background check to buy guns.

That was from a poll in which no one knows how the questions were framed or the process in how the poll was conducted. Also it is irrelevent to what I said.
 
How is it going to be enforced on a private seller if they are not at a gun show?


The main concern is the private sellers at gun shows in 40 states. I've hear lots of suggestion for those in rural areas including an online option.



No, it won't. I've already explained how and why. A stolen gun isn't exactly expensive ya know.

Only the far right agree with you. Most people know that an illegal gun costs more and is more difficult to find than a legal one.



That was from a poll in which no one knows how the questions were framed or the process in how the poll was conducted. Also it is irrelevent to what I said.

Thanks for the opinions reflected by the 10% - 15% that oppose background checks for all gun sales.
 
After only four or five responses on different threads, it didn't take me long to realize you're too stupid (not ignorant) on which to waste keystrokes as you can't seem to comprehend the simplest of concepts...

Your personal insults above to MuddyCreek show you've lost the argument. Did your insults make you feel better about your loss?
 
Your personal insults above to MuddyCreek show you've lost the argument. Did your insults make you feel better about your loss?

I chose not to encourage "it" any longer, which many others should do as well...
 
Federal case outlines how guns made their way from Indiana to Chicago

"As he sold four handguns in a South Side parking lot last year, Levaine Tanksley boasted to his customer that there were plenty more illicit weapons available, investigators say.

"Twenty-five more in four hours," Tanksley told his customer, who was secretly working for law enforcement and recording the conversation. "Give me $5,000 and you can put your order in then. I'll get you whatever, give me a list."

As Tanksley, who police say has ties to a Chicago street gang, made his sales pitch, David Lewisbey was stocking up on more weapons at a gun show 40 miles away in Crown Point, Ind., one of several trips he made across the state border and back in little more than a day, according to federal authorities. Five hours later, Lewisbey, an unlikely gun trafficker then enrolled in college, was back in Chicago as Tanksley made good on his promise and sold the informant nine more guns, authorities allege."

""They are like an arms bazaar," said Paul Helmke, Fort Wayne's former mayor and onetime president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. "We make it very, very easy for dangerous people to get guns."

Charges expose gun pipeline from Indiana to Chicago's violence-plagued neighborhoods - Chicago Tribune
 
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