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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, but it is a never ending battle to properly restrain government and to secure for our posterity the blessings of freedom and liberty.
    That sounds all nice and fairytalee, but the fact remains no libertarian has felt strongly enough, about the President's EOs on gun safety, to take it them to court.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That sounds all nice ans fairytalee, but the fact remains no libertarian has felt strongly enough about it to take it to court.
    Or rather that the courts have not felt it necessary to hear such objection and challenge.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Or rather that the courts have not felt it necessary to hear such objection and challenge.

    A challenge has to be made to be denied a hearing? Where are these "cases" at in the lower courts?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your [Catawba's] faith in that turd is touching given his dishonesty and lack of action over his first four years
    Birds of a feather…
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    We can be Godless and free. • “Social justice” through forced redistribution of wealth. • Silencing religious opinions counts as “diversity”. • Freedom without moral and personal responsibility. • Civilization can survive the intentional undermining of the family.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I never thought, or stated, the the AWB would pass, or you could quote where I had.
    wow so mad

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    wow so mad
    He's gonna be real upset when lots of gun haters get their asses handed to them in the mid term elections



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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A challenge has to be made to be denied a hearing? Where are these "cases" at in the lower courts?
    Most of the higher courts have discretion on what they'll hear.

    Criticisms

    Critics have accused presidents of abusing executive orders, of using them to make laws without Congressional approval, and of moving existing laws away from their original mandates.[7] Large policy changes with wide-ranging effects have been effected through executive order, including the integration of the armed forces under Harry Truman and the desegregation of public schools under Dwight D. Eisenhower.
    One extreme example of an executive order is Executive Order 9066, where Franklin D. Roosevelt delegated military authority to remove any or all people (used to target specifically Japanese Americans and German Americans) in a military zone. The authority delegated to General John L. DeWitt subsequently paved the way for all Japanese-Americans on the West Coast to be sent to internment camps for the duration of World War II.
    Executive Order 13233, which restricted public access to the papers of former presidents, was more recently criticized by the Society of American Archivists and other groups, stating that it "violates both the spirit and letter of existing U.S. law on access to presidential papers as clearly laid down in 44 USC. 2201–07," and adding that the order "potentially threatens to undermine one of the very foundations of our nation". President Obama later revoked Executive Order 13233 in January 2009.[8]
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    To date, U.S. courts have overturned only two executive orders: the aforementioned Truman order, and a 1995 order issued by President Clinton that attempted to prevent the federal government from contracting with organizations that had strike-breakers on the payroll.[9] Congress was able to overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it during the period of 1939 to 1983 until the Supreme Court ruled in Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha that the "legislative veto" represented "the exercise of legislative power" without "bicameral passage followed by presentment to the President."[10] The loss of the legislative veto has caused Congress to look for alternative measures to override executive orders such as refusing to approve funding necessary to carry out certain policy measures contained with the order or to legitimize policy mechanisms. In the former, the president retains the power to veto such a decision; however, the Congress may override a veto with a two-thirds majority to end an executive order. It has been argued that a Congressional override of an executive order is a nearly impossible event due to the supermajority vote required and the fact that such a vote leaves individual lawmakers very vulnerable to political criticism.[11]
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The rationale argument was the legal history of national gun control laws never being ruled unconstitutional. You didn't want to hear that!
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Out of all the federal gun laws passed through the years that apply in all states, you finally found one that was ruled unconstitutional....
    Oh I see why, you're getting rapped in debate again.

    One would think you would be used to that by now.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    wow so mad
    Just the facts Ma'm!

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh I see why, you're getting rapped in debate again.

    One would think you would be used to that by now.
    Fascists go to extreme lengths to excuse their government constructs.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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