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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So, you've decided the outcome before the Senate debate even begins?
    Again with the moving of the goal posts. Do you ever debate honestly?

    The discussion was talking about what was going to be brought up in the debate in the Senate were you doubted that the current laws are not being enforced would be brought up. The discussion was not what the out come of the Senate debate was going to be on this subject.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    After only four or five responses on different threads, it didn't take me long to realize you're too stupid (not ignorant) on which to waste keystrokes as you can't seem to comprehend the simplest of concepts...
    Ah, so you are here to spread the continued NRA lies about we have gun laws in place to PREVENT criminals from getting them and that we don't need anymore.

    Without your ability to provide facts of your thoughts, you are nothing really to talk with either, as you will sing the praises of the gun corporations. Oh, BTW, you DO know your gun corporations raised the price of bullets on you and not the President, right?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Again with the moving of the goal posts. Do you ever debate honestly?

    The discussion was talking about what was going to be brought up in the debate in the Senate were you doubted that the current laws are not being enforced would be brought up. The discussion was not what the out come of the Senate debate was going to be on this subject.

    Think I'll start calling you "haymarket clone" or "haymarkets double", or maybe just plain "haymarket".

    Why not just answer his question?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Why not just answer his question?
    I did. Reading comprehension is a must.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I did. Reading comprehension is a must.
    Total waste of scarce keystrokes...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This said right after a post that shows a senator agreeing that the laws are not being enforced and even gives examples directly related (in fact the SAME) to background checks.
    Only the far right consider Graham to know more than law enforcement.


    1: It won't make it more expensive. There is absolutely no way to enforce a background check on private sellers. Unless you combine it with gun registration...Good luck passing that one AND getting it past SCOTUS as that is an obvious infringement on our right to privacy.
    It will be enforced at gun shows the same way it is enforced for FFL dealers at gun shows, and that doesn't include registration.

    2: Even IF background checks were enforceable it will not stop..or even reduce..criminals from getting ahold of guns. There is an entire black market out there centered exclusively around the illegal sale of guns. Most of those guns being either stolen or brought into the US from outside the country. (and if 1 million illegal aliens slip through our border every year i'm pretty sure that people can get guns through) Of course..criminals can still just go out and steal the gun themselves if they wish to...which alot of them do.
    It will make more difficult and expensive for criminals and the mentally deranged to purchase guns than simply going to their neighborhood gun show next weekend.

    3: As anyone with half a brain will note background checks will not stop mentally ill folks from getting ahold of a gun either. None of the guns that Lanza used were obtained by Lanza legally. He stole them all. That should be ample proof that mentally ill folks will still get ahold of guns. Of course gun grabbers love to ignore that part of what happened in Conn.
    90% of the country and 85% of gun owners support making it harder and more expensive for those that can't pass a background check to buy guns.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only the far right consider Graham to know more than law enforcement.
    Oey vey.


    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will be enforced at gun shows the same way it is enforced for FFL dealers at gun shows, and that doesn't include registration.
    How is it going to be enforced on a private seller if they are not at a gun show?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It will make more difficult and expensive for criminals and the mentally deranged to purchase guns than simply going to their neighborhood gun show next weekend.
    No, it won't. I've already explained how and why. A stolen gun isn't exactly expensive ya know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    90% of the country and 85% of gun owners support making it harder and more expensive for those that can't pass a background check to buy guns.
    That was from a poll in which no one knows how the questions were framed or the process in how the poll was conducted. Also it is irrelevent to what I said.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How is it going to be enforced on a private seller if they are not at a gun show?

    The main concern is the private sellers at gun shows in 40 states. I've hear lots of suggestion for those in rural areas including an online option.



    No, it won't. I've already explained how and why. A stolen gun isn't exactly expensive ya know.
    Only the far right agree with you. Most people know that an illegal gun costs more and is more difficult to find than a legal one.



    That was from a poll in which no one knows how the questions were framed or the process in how the poll was conducted. Also it is irrelevent to what I said.
    Thanks for the opinions reflected by the 10% - 15% that oppose background checks for all gun sales.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Most people know that an illegal gun costs more and is more difficult to find than a legal one.
    Explain Chicago.

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    After only four or five responses on different threads, it didn't take me long to realize you're too stupid (not ignorant) on which to waste keystrokes as you can't seem to comprehend the simplest of concepts...
    Your personal insults above to MuddyCreek show you've lost the argument. Did your insults make you feel better about your loss?
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