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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No one has explained how background checks are in conflict with any commerce laws......................
    Apparently you have not be reading. Or just plain D ignoreing what has been said. Lets see if big bold print will get it across to you...

    The federal government can only regulate interstate commerce. Private sellers conduct intrastate commerce. Something which the Federal Government has no authority over.

    Understand it yet? Now answer my question.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Apparently you have not be reading. Or just plain D ignoreing what has been said. Lets see if big bold print will get it across to you...

    The federal government can only regulate interstate commerce. Private sellers conduct intrastate commerce. Something which the Federal Government has no authority over.

    Understand it yet? Now answer my question.

    Firearms dealers do not conduct intrastate commerce?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Firearms dealers do not conduct intrastate commerce?
    Until you answer my question you will not get any more of yours answered.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Until you answer my question you will not get any more of yours answered.
    Fine, until the premise is proved, your questions are irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fine, until the premise is proved, your questions are irrelevant.
    Figures. Of course we all know that you considered the question "irrelevent" from the get go. Which is why you continueally ignored it and even if I answered ALL your questions you would still do the two-step and avoid answering the question. For the simple fact that it does not allow a path for your gun grabbing idiotic idealogy. Gun grabbers LOVE to ignore the Constitution whenever it doesn't benefit them but the moment they think that it even slightly benefits them they run straight to it.
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    Gun shows, Internet keep weapons flowing around background checks

    "The rest are an assortment of private sellers, many looking to sell or trade individual guns or downsize large personal collections. But among them are private sellers who look very much like licensed dealers.

    It is not uncommon, members of the industry said, for these individuals to set up at show after show, flipping guns, as it were, and engaging in what is essentially a professional gun-dealing operation — without the regulation that goes along with it. And that practice is irritating to more than just those sounding the alarm about the dangers of unfettered gun sales.

    Bill Bernstein, owner of East Side Gun Shop in East Nashville, objects to these ostensibly casual sellers on business grounds. Strictly speaking, they don’t pose direct competition to his business, since he stays away from gun shows. But their regular activities end up looking very similar to his, just without the rules, regulation and red tape.

    “It’s their ‘private collection,’ ” he said, “[but] their private collection changes every week, and every week or every gun show they’re out there with a different table of guns, buying, selling, trading. I’m sorry, to me that person is an unlicensed dealer.”

    Bernstein said the problem is with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives’ somewhat amorphous definition of the term “dealer.” The bureau defines a dealer as a person “who devotes time, attention and labor to dealing in firearms ... with the principal objective of livelihood and profit.” At the point when a person is selling and trading firearms as a means to obtain other firearms, which they then intend to sell and trade, they’re encroaching on that definition, Bernstein said.

    I wanted to engage in this business,” he said, “I went and got a license. I have to go through inspections periodically, I have to present records to ATF when they come calling — and they did last week — I have to pay sales tax on whatever I sell. And these guys don’t.

    "Under the guise of a casual private sale, these unlicensed dealers are able to operate outside of rules and regulations, such as required background checks, that would typically govern sales of similar volume and frequency. On the flip side, they create a quasi-legitimate market where individuals who would otherwise be prohibited from obtaining a firearm can purchase one. It is a felony to knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person, but without a required background check, the situation effectively becomes one of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” regardless of the intentions of the dealer."

    Gun shows, Internet keep weapons flowing around background checks | Nashville City Paper
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Gun shows, Internet keep weapons flowing around background checks

    "The rest are an assortment of private sellers, many looking to sell or trade individual guns or downsize large personal collections. But among them are private sellers who look very much like licensed dealers.

    It is not uncommon, members of the industry said, for these individuals to set up at show after show, flipping guns, as it were, and engaging in what is essentially a professional gun-dealing operation — without the regulation that goes along with it. And that practice is irritating to more than just those sounding the alarm about the dangers of unfettered gun sales.

    Bill Bernstein, owner of East Side Gun Shop in East Nashville, objects to these ostensibly casual sellers on business grounds. Strictly speaking, they don’t pose direct competition to his business, since he stays away from gun shows. But their regular activities end up looking very similar to his, just without the rules, regulation and red tape.

    “It’s their ‘private collection,’ ” he said, “[but] their private collection changes every week, and every week or every gun show they’re out there with a different table of guns, buying, selling, trading. I’m sorry, to me that person is an unlicensed dealer.”

    Bernstein said the problem is with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives’ somewhat amorphous definition of the term “dealer.” The bureau defines a dealer as a person “who devotes time, attention and labor to dealing in firearms ... with the principal objective of livelihood and profit.” At the point when a person is selling and trading firearms as a means to obtain other firearms, which they then intend to sell and trade, they’re encroaching on that definition, Bernstein said.

    I wanted to engage in this business,” he said, “I went and got a license. I have to go through inspections periodically, I have to present records to ATF when they come calling — and they did last week — I have to pay sales tax on whatever I sell. And these guys don’t.

    "Under the guise of a casual private sale, these unlicensed dealers are able to operate outside of rules and regulations, such as required background checks, that would typically govern sales of similar volume and frequency. On the flip side, they create a quasi-legitimate market where individuals who would otherwise be prohibited from obtaining a firearm can purchase one. It is a felony to knowingly sell a gun to a prohibited person, but without a required background check, the situation effectively becomes one of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” regardless of the intentions of the dealer."

    Gun shows, Internet keep weapons flowing around background checks | Nashville City Paper
    There are already laws that address this subject area just as is done with car dealers...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    There are already laws that address this subject area just as is done with car dealers...
    Obviously they don't address the problem of private gun dealers in 40 states, which is why extending background checks is being taken up for debate in Congress after Easter break.
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    VoteVets ad featuring Iraq War veteran urges citizen action for universal background check

    "Featured in the ad is Glenn Kunkel—an Iraq War veteran who received two Purple Hearts during two tours of duty"




    Daily Kos: VoteVets ad featuring Iraq War veteran urges citizen action for universal background check
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obviously they don't address the problem of private gun dealers in 40 states, which is why extending background checks is being taken up for debate in Congress after Easter break.
    If a person is in the business of regularly purchasing guns to then sell for a profit an FFL is required and all Federal laws and regulations must be followed...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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