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    Re: Universal background checks

    "Gun control will be the first order of business in the Senate when lawmakers return in April from their two-week holiday break.
    Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) formally moved a package of gun-related bills onto the legislative calendar Thursday night, setting up the most serious debate on gun control in Congress in more than a decade.


    While it will not include a ban on assault weapons — Reid said Tuesday that proposal has less than 40 Senate votes behind it — the package will include provisions for a universal background check system, stricter federal criminal laws for gun trafficking and provisions to improve school safety.


    Coming in the wake of the December massacre at a Connecticut elementary school, the most aggressive provision remains the background check proposal. A bipartisan collection of senators, led by Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), have been trying to reach an agreement on the checks but have hit a stumbling block on how to maintain records for private gun sales.
    Reid remained hopeful that the senators could reach such a deal.


    “I hope negotiations will continue over the upcoming break to reach a bipartisan compromise on background checks, and I am hopeful that they will succeed,” Reid said. “If a compromise is reached, I am open to including it in the base bill.


    “But I want to be clear: In order to be effective, any bill that passes the Senate must include background checks.”

    He also said that the bill will be amended on the floor and will likely take several weeks of debate before it comes to a vote.




    “The bill I advance tonight will serve as the basis for opening debate. Once debate begins, I will ensure that a ban on assault weapons, limits to high-capacity magazines and mental health provisions receive votes, along with other amendments,” Reid said."

    Senate to take up gun control after break - Washington Post
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Glad I am all set on everything they want to ban

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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then do you know anyone that can explain how background checks are an infringement of interstate commerce laws?
    Diversion much? Moving the goal posts much? You were asked a specific question and then when you tried to link interstate commerce with intrastate commerce you were called out on it. You can try and continue this line of "reasoning" but it will continue to fail because you either do not understand the difference between interstate commerce and intrastate commerce or since it has been explained to you the more likely scenario...are willfully ignoring it in order to push your anti-gun agenda. In which case your arguements are nothing more than partisan hackery at best.

    How does the government have the authority to regulate intrastate commerce? IE private sellers in a state selling to people in that state. Which is what they are trying to do by insisting that private sellers must do background checks.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Diversion much? Moving the goal posts much? You were asked a specific question and then when you tried to link interstate commerce with intrastate commerce you were called out on it. You can try and continue this line of "reasoning" but it will continue to fail because you either do not understand the difference between interstate commerce and intrastate commerce or since it has been explained to you the more likely scenario...are willfully ignoring it in order to push your anti-gun agenda. In which case your arguements are nothing more than partisan hackery at best.
    The premise of the argument was that background checks are incompatible with interstate commerce laws. I want to know how?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The premise of the argument was that background checks are incompatible with interstate commerce laws. I want to know how?
    If the buyer and the seller are in the same state (typical private gun sale) then there is no interstate commerce.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    If that was really true, then there would be no difficulty at all in getting the Constitution amended in order to supersede the Second Amendment, and to allow the right affirmed therein to be infringed to the degree of requiring these checks as a prerequisite for exercising that right. That no credible effort has been made to propose such an amendment proves that those who claim there is this much support are flat-out lying.
    Um... we already have background checks, and SCOTUS doesn't see them as an "infringement". So... um, no need to amend the constitution.

    I love how some folks throw that word "infringe" around like it's the be-all, end-all to understanding the 2nd Amendment.

    "Infringing on the freedom of the press" is in the First Amendment, but Libel and child porn are still illegal.

    Maybe NAMBLA and the NRA should pool their legal resources and stop all this "infringement" of rights.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The premise of the argument was that background checks are incompatible with interstate commerce laws. I want to know how?
    1: You again avoid a direct question put to you.

    2: No that is not the premise of the arguement which was put before you by Turtledude. Turtledude was talking about intrastate commerce. Not interstate commerce.

    Here I'll even repost it for you AGAIN.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    tell us Catawba-given your expansive understanding of constitutional law-how is this proposed law going to get past LOPEZ and what exactly is the connection to INTERSTATE COMMERCE given that I can only sell a personal weapon to someone who lives in my own state?
    He was asking you how interstate commerce is connected to an intrastate commerce act. You responded by saying...

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How do you prove that gun does not cross state lines once you sell it?
    Trying to assert that if a gun moves across state lines it automatically becomes an interstate commerce issue. Totally ignoring the fact that the gun was sold intrastate and that once sold that gun moving across state lines is irrelevent because it is no longer an act connected to commerce.

    So no Catawba, we are not discussing interstate commerce. We are discussing intrastate commerce. Something which the federal government has no legal control over. That would include forcing private sellers to conduct background checks while selling guns intrastate.

    Now since you apparently are having a hard time keeping up with the discussion I will again ask you the same question I did in my previous....lets see if you can actually answer it this time.

    How does the government have the authority to regulate intrastate commerce? IE private sellers in a state selling to people in that state. Which is what they are trying to do by insisting that private sellers must do background checks.
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the buyer and the seller are in the same state (typical private gun sale) then there is no interstate commerce.
    You didn't answer my question, how does a background check interfere with with interstate commerce?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr4anarchy View Post
    Um... we already have background checks, and SCOTUS doesn't see them as an "infringement". So... um, no need to amend the constitution.

    I love how some folks throw that word "infringe" around like it's the be-all, end-all to understanding the 2nd Amendment.

    "Infringing on the freedom of the press" is in the First Amendment, but Libel and child porn are still illegal.

    Maybe NAMBLA and the NRA should pool their legal resources and stop all this "infringement" of rights.


    You know...for someone that named themselves "mr4anarchy" you sure do like to support the government alot don't you?
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    Re: Universal background checks

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: You again avoid a direct question put to you.

    2: No that is not the premise of the arguement which was put before you by Turtledude. Turtledude was talking about intrastate commerce. Not interstate commerce.

    Here I'll even repost it for you AGAIN.



    He was asking you how interstate commerce is connected to an intrastate commerce act. You responded by saying...



    Trying to assert that if a gun moves across state lines it automatically becomes an interstate commerce issue. Totally ignoring the fact that the gun was sold intrastate and that once sold that gun moving across state lines is irrelevent because it is no longer an act connected to commerce.

    So no Catawba, we are not discussing interstate commerce. We are discussing intrastate commerce. Something which the federal government has no legal control over. That would include forcing private sellers to conduct background checks while selling guns intrastate.

    Now since you apparently are having a hard time keeping up with the discussion I will again ask you the same question I did in my previous....lets see if you can actually answer it this time.

    How does the government have the authority to regulate intrastate commerce? IE private sellers in a state selling to people in that state. Which is what they are trying to do by insisting that private sellers must do background checks.


    No one has explained how background checks are in conflict with any commerce laws......................
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